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Times up Ben

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by PSYCHOSTEELER, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. PSYCHOSTEELER

    PSYCHOSTEELER Well-Known Member

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    Bleacherreport.com had an article on when to get Ben's replacement. So I ask you guys just keep it short and sweet, but please everyone that looks at this to at least respond something. I look at it as within the next 3 years if they come across something that might be a 3rd rounder sitting there, jump.
     
  2. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    I think they have to start looking for someone to groom into a starter in the next few years. He's been hit a lot over the years with some fairly significant injuries and they do take their toll as time goes on. It also doesn't help that he becomes a $20,000,000 a year player in 2013.
     
  3. defva

    defva Well-Known Member

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    I don't know about his replacement but we need a younger backup that could be a starter ASAP.Our backups are straight out of the senior citizen home.By time our rookies see the field,its two to three years down the road.
     
  4. HinesWardHOF

    HinesWardHOF Well-Known Member

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    just dont see getting a 3rd rounder and let them sit for several years and learn then they dont work out.. id rather bite the bullet liek we did on ben... use a first rounder in bens final year.. let him sit and learn one season.. let him fill in when ben is hurt that final year (whenever that is ) .. let him mop up in large wins or losses.. get a little experience then throw him in the next year when ben retires.. if funny people all seem to agree the person we need the most on this team is ben and troy.. then people want to get a QB in the 3rd round.. sure brady was like a 6 round pick and look how that worked out. but there are a hellll of a lot more first round QB picks starting and excelling then 3rd round.. so why wouldnt we use a first round pick on the most important member of almost every team?
     
  5. 322 Steeler Fan

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    Do not waste a top 4 pick until Ben is bad. A free agent could be used 1-2 years.

    In case Ben does decline the line and running game need to be built up as he ages.(Even regardless of)

    He could be good 6-8 years.
     
  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i'd have to say the draft of 2014. 2nd or 3rd rounder. he wouldn't start as a rookie anyway. we need to bolster our backup anyway by then. 2-3 years after that he could be ready depending on how long ben wants to play. that would be 4 years out maybe more. they would then be extending ben for a couple of years at a time until he decides he's done. :cool:
     
  7. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think that finding our next starting QB should be the absolute lowest thing on our priority list for at least 3-4 more years. We still have a 5 year+ window where (barring a major injury) Ben will continue to be a franchise QB, and all of our resources need to be put into keeping talent around him. As for finding a backup - you can always find quality backup QBs without burning early to mid round picks. Heck, I'd rather trade a 5th rounder for a Colt McCoy caliber player who has experience than draft a college QB who has fallen to the 5th round.
     
  8. SteelByDesign

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    Don't waste a 3rd rounder on a QB.

    We wait until Ben is done or close to it, and then we take one in the first round. Championship quarterbacks aren't found in the later rounds.
     
  9. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    tom tom was. (sorry SBD) :facepalm: :cool:
     
  10. thorn058

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    It is this type of thinking that lead to sub par QB play from the Quarterback position during the years between Bradshaw and Ben. I raised this question several times during the last year and a half as well. They should be looking for Ben's successor right now. Not in five years when his skills are diminishing Get him in the system and learning that way he is ready and it isn't a copy of the Colts off-season. Unless Ben changes his approach to the game he doesn't last 4-5 more years it is more like 2-3 before he sees a significant drop off in his skills.
     
  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i agree thorn. that's why i'm saying not next year but the year after's draft. 2014. i figure he gets 3 more with the new offense in place minimum. he will see the forth and fifth year to i believe, but we will start to see the dropoff. so 2016,2017 the newbie would then be ready in his 2nd or 3rd year. or.......... we already have him here in jerrod johnson, a kid that would have gone in the first couple of rounds if it wasen't for the shoulder injury. this would give him a couple of years in the system for them to see if he's worth keeping around. either lefty or charlie are going to be gone after one more, i would think. johnson could be PS material for this year and activated next as a backup and brought along. i'm not ruling the kid out yet. he's got talent. they say the shoulder is finally back now. :cool:
     
  12. PSYCHOSTEELER

    PSYCHOSTEELER Well-Known Member

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    Because their always gonna use that 1st rd pick on the BPA other than a QB as long as they have Ben.
     
  13. slickster10

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    :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Ben has 5 seasons left minimum. Im not going to throw injuries into the equation because it's silly, any player in the NFL can have their career ended on one play. 3 to 4 years before even thinking of drafting his replacement. If Ben is playing at a high level for another 5 years and then starts falling off over another 2 years, just how long do you think a back up is going to sit on the bench that could be starting elsewhere?
     
  15. thorn058

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    I disagree while any season long injury can change how he plays during the season, it will be the cumulative injuries that will cause his game to slip with in the next three years. The pain of constant brutal hits with begin to wear on him. Lets face it he has taken abuse more akin to a runningback than a quarterback. Now if you was a true student of the game and utilized everything available to him to play and win games I could see your estimate as being close. However he relies on two things his talent and physical abilities, when one of those suffers his game suffers as well. The guy has heart and will there is no doubting that but when he takes an injury like he did last season(the 49er's game) he struggles and his production drops.
     
  16. Aerosteel

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    You don't pick his replacement until Ben is gone and we have a terrible year so we can get a great draft position and take the best QB on the board. The only 2 times we got a championship caliber QB, we had a horrible year to set up the draft pick. 1-13 got us TB, 6-10 got us BB. It is the only way.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Except that with a new promising line and OC who is emphasizing keeping Ben upright, he shouldn't be taking that kind of beating anymore. We draft a QB now, I think we'll just end up watching him play for someone else.
     
  18. thorn058

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    Except that with a new promising line and OC who is emphasizing keeping Ben upright, he shouldn't be taking that kind of beating anymore. We draft a QB now, I think we'll just end up watching him play for someone else.[/quote:qqn2misj]

    That is a best case scenerio and I would like to believe that would be the case but I am a firm believe in prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Every time I think of Ben and his injuries I think of those vidoes of Bettis struggling to get out of bed his last season and the pain on his face when he walked down the stairs. To me that is the kind of condensed punishment Ben has taken and that takes its toll on a body that isn't erased because of a new Oline.
     
  19. steelers5859

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    I don't think many rookie quarterbacks are willing to sit for 3 years behind someone with the success of first year quarterbacks (Newton, Dalton). Then if he turns out to be any good his rookie contract is about up and you will be force to either pay a backup hugh money or trade him for something. If you do the latter then you are back to square one. I say, wait until Ben is about 35 then the next year you draft his replacement to sit a year then insert him in the starting lineup.
     
  20. HinesWardHOF

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    exactly what i said .. draft a first rounder when ben has one more year in his tank then let them sit one season and start the next.. but use a first rounder on the most important position on any team
     
  21. SteelByDesign

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    I'm going to keep saying it until someone listens. Special quarterbacks aren't found in the later rounds, you take your QB in round 1. Yes we all know about Brady. There's an exception to everything of course, but for the most part that's how it is...

    NFL Starters who were 1st rounders...
    Aaron Rodgers
    Peyton Manning
    Eli Manning
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Mike Vick
    Phillip Rivers
    Joe Flacco
    Matthew Stafford
    Jay Cutler
    Cam Newton
    Christian Ponder
    Josh Freeman
    Blaine Gabbert
    Jake Locker
    Andrew Luck (will be)
    Robert Griffin (will be)
    Mark Sanchez
    Alex Smith
    Sam Bradford
    Carson Palmer

    That's 20 out of 32 teams. Brees and Brady are the only "special" quarterbacks not drafted in round 1.
     
  22. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    There really is no timetable.
    If there's a guy in the draft capable of winning a Superbowl and he's there when your picking ...you take him.

    You should be looking all the time to replace players.
     
  23. Wardismvp

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    The contact that Ben has endured over the years, I can see him starting
    to break down sooner than people think and his skills will diminish.
    I am anxious to see him behind this much improved OL (DECASTRO) Pouncey
    and a possible return to Steeler football and if it will lengthen his career.
    I guess we will just have to see.
     
  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    4 between them.

    that sure doesn't guarantee them anything but a starting position. of course they would start for a team that picked them first. a team wouldn't make a first round selection and then play the backup. 4 out of the 20 have won a SB or even been to one. 2 out of those other 12 have 4 between them. aaron rodgers sat for years before he got a shot. :cool:
     
  25. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    if the rookies aren't willing to do what the teams want, they will be out of football before their career gets going. alot of guys are willing to sit and learn for 2-3-4 years if thats what it takes. rodgers did it. mallet was signed and is sitting behind tom tom. he was a good qb in college. cousins got picked behind RGIII, he'll sit and learn. just because it's a second contract for a backup qb, doesn't mean he'll get a huge contract. or that he'll leave to go start for someone else. if you wait until ben is 35, you will be behind. it will also stall the play of 52 other good players on the team. the backup will need to be ready when the time comes. :cool:
     

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