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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 5, 2018.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Its not an excuse, he was the QB of the defense. All their packages revolved around what he could do. Eagles and Vikes had players to plug in to replace their losses, they didnt get to where they were with those guys playing like bums. Keenum had a good season and Foles was dropping dimes out there against the Vikes and NE.

    Butler tried to use three guys to replace Shazier, couldn't do it. Poor planning.

    Not saying hes the only reason but that loss cant be downplayed. Mitchell was bad, Davis and Burns seemed to regress, Vince was good rushing the QB but not so much against the run, Bud struggled.

    They have some work to do, both on the white board and draft board.
     
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  2. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    This defense has SIX 1st round starters (take one off if you will for Shazier)
    This defense has THREE 2nd round starters.
    This defense has one 3rd round starter. Two if you count Spence replacing Shazier.
    This defense has one 6th round starter.

    Let that sink in... I feel their is some talent but not being used properly. As I wrote in another post this defense gets to cute with all the sub packages. High time for simplifying. I don't feel that with the current coaches this unit will excel doing same as it ever was. With no change in floundering coaches. I hope i'm wrong...the clock is ticking.
     
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  3. BlacknGoldBlood

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    Philly is an exception. That defense is good from top to bottom and it showed in the way the manhandled the Vikings.

    You can hang your argument on the first Jags game but you better go back and look, if you can't remember. Ben had his worst game EVER. No team is going to survive 5 INT's with a porous defense at that time (cue a game stat where someone did it). If I remember correctly there were 2 defensive TD's as well.
    The defense was starting to come together when Shazier went down. 6 or 7 game winning streak. To lose a talent like that is one thing but that defense was built around him and his leadership. Not to mention making the calls and getting guys in position. If you don't think Shazier is pretty much irreplaceable then well there must be another Steeler team that you are watching.
     
  4. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    even with shaz we couldn't stop the run and even with shaz green bay and cincy were killing us. I agree he is an important asset but we have bigger problems.
     
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  5. BlacknGoldBlood

    BlacknGoldBlood Active Member

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    BBH what is the "bigger problem" than the defense right now???
     
  6. Lambert

    Lambert Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I've lamented that we seem to have development issues, which I also put on the D staff. Hard to know for sure.

    I think Tuitt was playing injured all year so I'll say this... after Heyward, Tuitt, Watt, and Hayden, nobody excites me much. However, I do think Burns, Davis, Dupree, Alualu, Hargrave, Williams, Sutton, Wilcox, and Hilton can be part of a good defense. That's still a ~dozen roster spots we could potentially upgrade in some way.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That's not true. After the Chicago game nobody ran on them until Shazier went down.
     
  8. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    i meant, bigger problems on defense meaning mike Mitchell lol
     
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  9. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    when you're right you are right.

    With Shaz AFTER the Chicago game we allowed 3.65 ypc. When shaz went down we allowed 5.18 ypc.

    Likely would've beaten jax with shaz.
     
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  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think we definitely beat Jax with him. There were 2 key blown plays by Spence on TDs. Shazier makes at least one of those.
     
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  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    How about debating me instead of following me around and smashing your optimistic button on any positive post I make, fanforlife?

    Last year you bet the Steelers would win the SB and they didn't and you were all negative all offseason and then this year you were back to betting they'd win the SB. They didn't again and again you are all negative and next year you will once again be betting they will win the SB.
     
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  12. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like me lol.

    I’m not betting anything. I love this team. I was hating on tomlin but I’m getting some perspective and I’m willing to accept him a little longer. As long as we make the playoffs we have a chance. In the end I’ve witnessed 3 Super Bowls and 2 wins while some fans haven’t witnessed one. Great owner, great stadium, awesome fans, awesome colors, awesome atmosphere.

    I was once that kid who sold his soul for a 2005 ring, although I’m not that hardcore anymore I still love this team with a passion.
     
  13. fanforlife

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    If I had enough strength to debate you I would. If it upsets your little world that much, I won't bother to respond to your post at all since they are usually wrong which is the only reason I respond. Since you don't know anything about me or what I'm going through don't tell me what I'll be doing next year as far as betting is concerned when it's probably less than a 50-50 chance I'll still be here. You have a point that most of my post are not happy and positive and I can't change that. That being the case I'm just going to quit posting on the Steeler forum. I'll still post on the Penguin thread for a while.
     
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  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That took more effort then if you would have stated why you thought Shazier wouldnt have made a difference over Spence :lolol:

    Knock yourself out over on the Penguins board, maybe you'll find the pity you are looking for there.
     
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    Knock yourself out over on the Penguins board, maybe you'll find the pity you are looking for there.[/QUOTE]

    You act like a complete idiot that has no idea what back to back strokes can do to a person and you obviously don't care. Remember what goes around comes around. You ae simply class-less. Just go far far away.
     
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  16. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    <edit>

    Never mind, thats none of your business and not the place for it and dont really care what you think.
     
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  17. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I wonder if Spence had stuck around, rather than looking for starter money, if he would have been more effective in plugging in for Shazier.

    I was disappointed in Matakevich on that front - different kinds of player, obviously, and I believe he was injured at points, but I was really hoping he would use that time to shine.
     
  18. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    TM was hurt and I am hoping that was why we didn't see him but either way he was not given the opportunity to show what he could do other than the game where both he and Shaz got hurt. I wish we would have seen him more as I would like to know for sure if what I think of TM is right cause I think he is a pretty good player, better vs the run than the pass.
     
  19. Blast Furnace

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    Im sure. Having not played all year, there was no way hed be in football shape. They were just trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

    TM got injured the same day Shazier did if Im not mistaken. He never recovered. Think he is having offseason surgery but Im not certain of that. I dont know how much of a difference it would have made anyway.
     
  20. thorn058

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    You'd almost think that once Shazier went down they would have gone back to a more traditional 3-4 such as when Farrior and Foote manned the middle with the front 3 being stout against the run and the OLB bringing the pressure or setting the edge. Simply because they lacked the speed at ILB to be the focal point of the D
     
  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Yep he and foster had surgery immediately after our season ended. TM was hurt bad. He really shouldn't have been playing at that point. We should have brought Kelsey up off the PS at that point.:cool:
     

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