Length of time to overturn JJ’s TD

First, let me start by saying I was as sick as anybody about how the game turned out. When I started seeing what looked like overly conservative play, I hearkened back to a Steelers Chiefs game I was at years ago when Ben got hurt and they took the ball out of Charlie Batch’s hands on a 3rd and 2 toss sweep with 11 defenders up....that lost about 6 yards from the 35 when a field goal would have won the game. And when Sean Davis dropped the INT that might’ve sealed it (which WAS a difficult INT — more so if your name is Sean Davis), I texted my brother it seems this is a script we’ve seen before.

But in the aftermath, I couldn’t figure out why it took so long to overturn the touchdown. It seems so obvious what the rule is from what I was reading this morning on ESPN and clearly the evidence of the ball hitting the ground must have been indisputable even though our mere mortal eyes may have seen things differently. So, in researching the rules, I found there are 5 in place that deal specifically with games where the Patriots are involved, which is why Correntes crew isn’t allowed to wear mittens so they can remember more easily. It is the wording of the 5th (and less often invoked) rule which must have led to the confusion. But I applaud the crew for their objective application of the rules and I now understand why it took so long to overturn. The rules are....

1) It’s not holding.... if the Patriots do it

2) It’s not a block in the back.... if the Patriots do it

3) It’s not pass interference.... if the Patriots do it

4) It’s not taunting.... if the Patriots do it

5) It’s not a catch.... unless the Patriots do it

1-4 are pretty easy to apply, but on the 5th one, they needed their experts to help with the ‘what’s this UNLESS business.’ But, an objective interpretation clearly shows the right call was made in the end so it’s good they took the extra time to make sure they got it right.

Now, knowing the rules better, we should know how much more important it is to go all 60 minutes without any brain cramps or lack of execution. Just hope we get the chance to see these guys (or even better, somebody ELSE) in the AFCCG this year.

GO STEELERS!!!!

 

Why it took so long?

They had to wait until the check cleared!!!!

Cajun

 

I'd like some clarification on when the completed catch rules take effect. If a defender was touching him they rule him down at the one where his knee touched and anything that happens with the ball is irrelevant. However that knee being down seems to be superseded by the completed catch rules which makes little or no sense

 

Nothing matters (knees, goal lines,nothing) until he maintains control of the ball all the way to the ground. The refs said he failed to do that so no catch.

 

Buy they don't apply that to catch and fumbles with any consistency. They have ruled down by contact with an elbow or knee before loss of control which makes the completed catch rules very much fluid application.

 

Also if his knee or elbow doesn't matter how are they judging complete to the ground? He is down on the ground with complete control and then moves to stretch which should be ruled catch fumble and recovery.

 

I've joked about heading back to the bench but it reality you almost have to get up and hand it back to the ref before they will rule that you have controlled the catch to the ground.

 

This to me goes back to the troy interception in 05. What do you consider down and then what makes up control vs a football move. He is clearly down and that he clutches the ball to his chest before stretching demonstrates control and making a move that to me screams catch.

 

http://thesteelersfans.com/forums/threads/everyone-email.18462/

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The current catch rule underwent a major overhaul after the Calvin Johnson ruling in 2010. So likely Troy's catch in 05 would have been judged by a different standard.

 

I think their application of the rule would make more sense and people would have less of a problem with it if Jesse had lost control during the act of making a catch or completing it going to the ground. It is the fact that the loss of control happens not in catching the ball or securing the catch to the ground but occurs when he is streching out to break the plane.

 

If he hit the ground first, then reached out with the ball, it would have been a touchdown (assuming he gets the ball across the goal line before he is touched.) That's what he should have done, complete the catch first, then reach out.

 

And what about the fact that the ball clears the goal line.. Ball does not have to even be in his eyes after the goal line.. Or does it?

 

I believe the argument is that he was in the act of going to ground during the catch.

Which is a **** argument.

 

They are ****in retarded......it was two separate acts ,th catch secured to the ground ,knee and elbow then the lunge....they are making like he dove to catch it and lost control....talking out their asses...horse ****

 

Agree with all you're saying Thorn. Your logic is spot on. Only issue appears to be how quickly all these nano-second actions occurred which leads to the NFL's conclusion. But with stop action-slo-mo replay review (as in the MLB), they need to slow down their collection thinking on sequencing of incremental minute actions as well. As you said, it was a legal TD before any ball movement occurred which should have separated the two actions. Curious though - if JJ had fumbled the ball away in bounds (outside of end zone) and NE recovered - would they have awarded the recovery to NE? Conspiracy theorists would say no doubt about it.

 

Why couldn’t they use slow motion to show he had control of the ball, enough to reach out, which was a football move?

 

I hate the patriots.

 

All I have to say regarding the catch (yes I believe it was a catch) is that the officials HAVE to be consistent with the calls. Earlier this year, Brandin Cooks had a game winning TD and as he fell out of bounds he lost the ball, it Rolled even more than JJ's did. And can you remember Xavier Grimbles TD vs the bungals last year and completely lost the ball as he dove for the end zone and that was a TD.

I don't even know what a catch is anymore. That would have been a TD in flag football, middle school football, high school, and college.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...s-a-TD-on-similar-play-back-in-2016-112426756

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/26/16364372/brandin-cooks-touchdown-catch-rule


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