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Do you think Mike Wallace will"play ball"

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Yogi4, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. Yogi4

    Yogi4 Well-Known Member

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    Now that the waiting game is over,do you think that Mike Wallace will show up with a good attitude if he is not signed to a long term deal?
     
  2. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    Not if he's smart. He can posture all he wants in April, miss OTA's, express chafed feelings of being undervalued. But he's a fool if he doesn't show at training camp, and doesn't work hard.

    The best leverage he has is to take the tender, play his year out, play well and become a UFA next year. That's the best thing FOR HIM. If the Steelers give him a long term deal that's to his liking this year, fine. If not, wait and see what's offereed next Feb. I'm guessing he's in the $8-9M/yr range next year. If you doubt it, look at what othe WRs have signed for during this off season.
     
  3. bigplaywillygay

    bigplaywillygay Well-Known Member

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    In general, I understand the whole lets hold out for more money thing especially if you are worth it, Drew Brees. The things that seem off to me are either Wallace really does think he is worth Fitz money with only 2 years experience (there is no way to know that, everything is just speculation at this point). The other "off" putting thing is that he would hold out with the Steelers. The Steelers track record shows that if you produce and not even at a Fitz level they will pay you well and lock you up long term. Meaning if Wallace goes out there this season and destroys he not only raises the value for the Steelers to keep him but raises his market value as well. So in business terms if it was really about the money for him it would be in his best interest to have a record season
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i think the worst thing that could happen to him would be if he holds out and comes in to camp late and brown outplays him all year and gets the new contract. :cool:
     
  5. TwentyFourSeven

    TwentyFourSeven Well-Known Member

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  6. mdbates2

    mdbates2 Well-Known Member

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    Tribune Review says there are 3 teams talking to the Steelers about a possible Trade for Wallace. I'm thinkin' they may take one of those deals.
     
  7. steel_d_curtain

    steel_d_curtain Well-Known Member

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    Wallace Stats for his last 10 games.

    39 catches (average 3.9 per game)

    452 yds (average 45.2 per game)

    3 td catches (average 1 td catch in every 3.5 games)

    This guy here demanding as little as 4 million is asking too much. That's why he wants to cash in now because he knows the best years of his career is behind him. Soft play and alot of key drops is what Ive seen over the past 10 games with a tremondous lack of effort. Also, let's not forget his ranting about wanting to play for the Patriots or 49ers before his negotiations with the Steelers. I really don't think the Steelers managment are pleased with Mike Wallace now and this will become dirty. Trade him when you can for a 6th rd pick or waive him...
     
  8. mdbates2

    mdbates2 Well-Known Member

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    I think they can get more than a 6th at this point - but I do think they should go ahead and trade him. If there is interest and you can get value, I say go for it. As usual with the Steelers, someone will step in and we'll forget about Wallace within a year or so.
     
  9. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Other than those stats, what makes you say his best days are over? He's 25. You think he's over the hill? He magically stopped being good? He forgot how to play? He stopped trying? Which is it? I really want to know.
     
  10. steel_d_curtain

    steel_d_curtain Well-Known Member

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    my gut!
     
  11. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Whats the problem is all a team has to do is stay in a cover two on passing downs and you remove wallace. So yes you can go to him on running downs and try to suprise the other team but the deep ball is still a low percentage play.
     
  12. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    we should get a 3rd round comp pick the year after he leaves as a FA. no need to give him away now. use him at 2.7 million for a year then sign brown long term next and use the 3rd comp pick to bolster another or same position
     
  13. shadowmaker

    shadowmaker Well-Known Member

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    I talked more smack about the Steeler FA when they let Holmes go for a 3rd rounder than Im proud to admit. But they stepped up and he hasnt been missed. Wallace can sign or he ll be replaced, its that simple.
     
  14. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    He'll play ball, this season.

    The question is does he stay long term, or go away after this season. As a UFA, he's gone.
     
  15. freakfontana

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    actually was a fifth round :frustrated:
     
  16. Myronwemissyinz

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    YEAH this guy deserves Fitz money......NOT....Sign and then trade him for a 2or3 round pick...good riddance...
     
  17. steelers5859

    steelers5859 Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully they at least get a 3rd round pick for him.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Disagree with just about everything you wrote. With that said, I'm ok with Wallace walking if we get a first round for him. 6th round, I'll be very pissed.
     
  19. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Once again in this era of Free agency the
    Steelers cannot afford to keep everybody they would like.
    Unlees a deal is done with another team on draft day then Mike wallace will play
    out his contract, and probably move on. And the Steelers will negotiate a long term
    contract with Antonio Brown. like so many other posters have correctly stated
    Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown are in the 6-8 mil/yr bracket of WR.. so hence getting back
    to my original statement, you can't afford to keep everybody. Its really that simple.
     
  20. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    my gut![/quote:26h94zbe]

    I was about to post the same thing as 'Snack. Saying his best days are behind him is just silly. Wallace had no sophomore slump. He's got consistently better every year he's played. This is why he (or his agent) is blowing his trumpet so much - he's selling the fact that he's going to get better. I tihnk he's also someone who likes to talk himself up (remember the claim about 2000 yards or whatever last season? And we said, brilliant, isn't it great we've got a guy who's so confident?)

    I can't argue with gut reactions. At the end of the day, I want the Steelers to win. I think we have a better chance with Wallace than without. So I hope he gets his ass in camp and plays his heart out this season coming, even if it is just to bugger off at the end of it.
     
  21. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Ranting about playing for the Pats or Niners? Have you got a link to any of this ranting? I recall him saying that he wanted to be back with the Steelers, but he understood that it may not happen because of the dollars. That's a perfectly rational way of looking at it. If, for instance, another team would give him $25M guaranteed, and the Steelers would only guarantee $15M, why shouldn't he go for the $$? This could be his one and only opportunity to get a big payday to set him up for life. I think that a lot of people are being way too hard on him for wanting to get paid. The offseason dance that he and the Steelers are doing is just part of the business. It means nothing until he holds out at training camp. At that point, he would definitely be in the wrong. The rules say he's got to play for $2.75M this year. Those are the rules that were collectively bargained. If he doesn't get a deal by then, and refuses to play, then I would hope that the Steelers go full-on hardball and make sure that an example is set. Until then, it's just part of the offseason song and dance.

    The guy is a valuable receiver. Every receiver has critical drops. Heck, Hines dropped a sure TD early in SB XL, and still came back to win the game's MVP award. Wallace is a bit of a one trick pony, and for that reason he'll never be worth anything like Fitz money, but that one trick is pretty dangerous if our QB would occasionally get the ball to him without it being over or under thrown by 10 yards. That one trick demands safety attention, and opens things up for everyone else. When you look at the free agent WRs that were signed by new teams this offseason, he is easily a better WR, at a better point in his career, than any of them except for V. Jackson, who got 5 yrs/55M with 36M guaranteed. He is way better than Garcon (5 yrs/42M), Laurent Robinson (5/32) and Robert Meachem (4/26). I think he's close to the market value of D. Jackson, and he got 5/51 from the Eagles. Now, I wouldn't pay anywhere close to $10M/yr for Wallace, and I think the Eagles were foolish to pay Jackson that much, however that is the market value for a burner like Jackson or Wallace. If we could retain him with a Garcon-sized contract, I would do it. He easily provides better value that Garcon, and a similar contract for Wallace would be a modest bargain.

    The whole - trade him for a 6th or waive him - thing... well, I won't even go there.
     
  22. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    While I agreed with most of what you said (except the one trick pony, thing), it's this sentence that seems to sum up the entire Mike Wallace affair in one go.
     
  23. Yogi4

    Yogi4 Well-Known Member

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    we are guaranteed that next year so either do better this year or wait and let him walk next year, but if that is the way he wants it then I would sign Brown this year so Wallace don't get into his head. Brown would be ripe to get bigger money earlier. That would guarantee a great #1 receiver.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'm pretty sure that the rules of the new CBA do not allow teams to negotiate contract extensions until a player has played 3 years. My guess is that the owners made sure that rule was in there to prevent a player from holding out after a great 1st or 2nd season. If it's against the rules for a negotiation to take place, the player can't get leverage (until after his 3rd season).
     
  25. TwentyFourSeven

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