So What Went Wrong with the Steelers Defense vs the Patriots?

It worked out well. They took the Patriots to overtime. No, they didn't win but they gave the pats everything they could handle, which is far more than what we did

 

No problem on pointing that out for ya. One thing I really can't stand is when a new poster tries to add something good only to get knocked down by a poster who has been here or has a lot of posts. That pisses me off to no end and is one of the major reasons I came to this site. More posts don't make you a know it all or better poster, imo. Anyways I thought what he posted was good and added a little something the other threads didn't and if it was so needed to be merged with another thread I am sure one of the Mods would have done it. Like I said not trying to come at you just didn't like it...probably still bitter at how much money I lost on the super bowl in my pools. lol

 

Yeah the fumble sorry and yeah Ryan had a good game. He should have never took the sack but most of all he should not have been put in that position. 3rd and 1 under 6 min up by 16....run it again. Very easy to say now I know but man the clock is your friend here, if you don't make it you can take almost a minute off the clock.........

 

Good points add the Cheats had 88 plays and 40 min of TOP both close to double what the Falcons offense had. It was clear the D was wore down in the 4th and Brady had close to if not half of his passing yards in the 4th and OT. I felt like the Falcons D did enough to win this game......

 

Yea, 3 straight TD drives in the final minutes and OT, to lose a super bowl, is "working out well".

 

The sack was bad but then they had a penalty on the very next play that pushed them back even further. Interesting to note also that the holding call was from the son of one Hall of Famer to another. Jake Matthews on Chris Long.

 

The Pats had the ball twice as much and ran twice as many plays as the falcons. There's only so much they can do. No defence is going to shut the pats down for that long.

The fact is, they have a very young defence, but they played fast and physical and shut the Pats down for most of the game. They did far better than we did.

 

Bottom line is that maybe New England's D is better than thought. The way to beat the Pats is by keeping your offense on the field and scoring points, keep Marsha cold and don't give him a chance to have 4 possessions in the 4th quarter. So New England basically put up 35 points on Houston, Pittsburgh and Atlanta...... you gotta out score them boys.

 

It worked out very good..They had them down 28 to 3 ..When have we even had a 10 point lead on them?The Falcons made some dumb play calls and they ran out of gas...If anything it shows you need more good DL and more good DB'S if you intend to keep enough pressure on the Pats to beat them...

 

The way people talk around here that was supposed to be Brady's kryptonite .

 

It was for a half of Football , not enough good DL to keep the presseure not good enough LB or Safety play to guard the RB out of the backfield...

 

What I would like to know is why the freakin' Ravens can compete with the Patriots much better than the Steelers???

Somebody explain that. And don't tell me the Ravens D is worlds apart better than the Steelers D. Yes, they have Suggs and he is a badass, but he alone don't make them competitive against the Patriots.

 

They have better DB play ..They have more guys who can guard guys 1 on 1 than we do..Their Safety play is much better than ours ... Overall much more speed upfront and at LB .....

 

I'm glad we got Sean Davis, but man I wanted Keanu Neal in the draft. He is what I had hoped Shamarko would have developed into.

 

Epic Ben there!! just run the ball and kick the field goal no!!!! had to go for the kill and cough the ball up!!!

 

Matchups are huge in the NFL. We matchup fairly well against the Ravens but don't matchup well at all vs the Patriots. They crush us almost every time because of our gameplan, especially on defence. It doesn't help that our coaches were cowards and refused to take a chance at all. They had us playing ultra conservative the whole game and that killed us. The Ravens are a far more aggressive team than we are and aggression pays off against statues like Brady. Get physical with the receivers and give the pass rush a chance to get to Brady. That is the key to beating the Pats. He'll kill you if you don't get to him and he'll kill you if you have to bring 5 or 6 guys in order to get to him. If you can't get pressure with 4, Brady will kill you.

 

Yeah, Neal is a stud in the making. So is Deion Jones. I drafted both in my IDP fantasy league, although both are excellent real life football players as well. In fact, Jones is a better player in real life than he is for fantasy purposes. I'd love to dump Timmons and get some more speed. We're too slow.

 

Yea, the first half was about 2 turnovers (ironically the INT coming on a zone hand off in coverage).

It's funny how people see this game through the Steelers bias narrative they've had all year.

 

You really need to stop the Brady love.

I will say it again and again: QBs do not win games all by themselves. They can lose them on their own, but they won't win them on their own. The Patriots have been consistently good for 17 seasons...and not just in the passing game, which is the one phase that Brady mostly controls. This team has been consistently good in ALL PHASES, from special teams to the tackling to holding on to the ball. Brady controls none of that.

 

Exactly. Everyone made this about Brady leading the comeback but really the defense was awesome in the 4th and forced a big turnover. Their special teams pinned the falcons deep a few times. The rest is history. Imagine if seattle and atlanta had run the ball at the end of their games? PAts would lost 3 straight SB's. Instead shanahan went full blown Todd Haley.

 

7 Super Bowls. 5 wins. 4 Super Bowl MVP's. Super Bowl yardage records. Passing records. Incredible post season winning percentage. Try and take away from him all you want due to bias but nothing can change those facts. Montana played with some great defensive players too but the facts are that he elevated his own game personally when he got on the biggest stage. Brady done the same. That's why they're the greatest. There is literally zero argument in favor of Brady not being the greatest. Literally zero. I'm not saying other people on his team haven't been great. I'm saying that he has been greatER because he has.

 

There is no good argument for any of them being the "greatest": Brady, Manning, Montana, Elway, Marino, or beyond. You know why?

1. None of these players play under the same conditions (coach, teammates, etc.)
2. Players across eras played under completely different rules and technological advancements. (No headsets or plays on the wristbands back in the day)
3. Super Bowl wins are not an indication of greatness: are you prepared to call Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson better QBs than Dan Marino? That alone kills the "winning" theory.

Brady is a great QB, a first-ballot HOFer. But we'll never know what Manning or Brees could have done with the Patriots: I'm sure they'd have loved a shot at it. There is no mistaking that he plays for a coaching legend during a watered-down era. The level of play in this sport has dropped off remarkably over the past ten years, just as critics said it would due to free agency. The Patriots have a system in place, a way of acquiring and utilizing talent, that is in the stratosphere, while the rest of the league is at ground level. There is no other team even close to them right now. You're kidding yourself if you think it's just Brady. It's the team.

Brady looked shaky and unsteady in the 2nd and 3rd quarters when Atlanta got some pressure on him--and it was really only the type of pressure all QBs face. But notice what happened when Brady went off: perfect pockets to throw from. Defenders were no longer anywhere near him...and this has been the hallmark of his career. A great QB, who regularly has great protection. I would say that only Aikman was as blessed, though for a much shorter period of time.

Indeed, I do not like Brady on a personal level; but that doesn't mean I am biased, except to the point that the whole GOAT argument is absolutely asinine in a sport in which the QB is very reliant on the performance of the other ten guys on the field. This is more the case than in basketball (where the player SHOOTS on his own...dribble drives on his own) or in baseball (in which it is mano-y-mano, pitcher vs batter).

 

If Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won 5 rings and 4 Super Bowl MVP's and went to 7, then yes I would be prepared to call them greater than Dan Marino.