Saints In Trouble For Bounty System

Take their trophy and suspend them all!

 

Hoping this takes attention off of james. Goodell can have a new poster boy(s) to pick on and flag for breathing on the qb

 

The article that I read stated that players were given a bonus for hurting an opponent bad enough that they needed to be carted off the field. That is sick (not in the good way). Whoever was involved should be crushed. Depending on the circumstances, a season-long suspension might be a bit lenient.

 

Did Shawn Payton bring in buddy ryan to coach?

 

In any walk of life, unethical behavior will bite you in the rear at some point. They deserve whatever Goodell throws at them.

 

I was wondering why they were all of a sudden hitting harder, they weren't known for hitting before this as* clown was hired.. I'm sure other teams do it too cough cough Ravens... saints just got busted for it.. Wonder how much Ray ray got for taking out Hines

 

Goodell high fiving himself.

I can imagine Goodell jumping all around his office today. Yelling yay!!! Yippee!! Weeee! Or whatever prudes like him say when enjoying themselves.

Thanks to the saints he gets to do what he loves best, punish people. What will he do!?
- take draft picks?
- suspend players/ coaches
- fine them?
- all the above?


Nah, just bust out ole' reliable.
Suspend James Harrison a game and fine him 200,000
Then call it a day, and pat yourself of the back Goodell
You deserve it! You do such a good joke.......I mean job.

 

Re: Goodell high fiving himself.

Yeah we will see how he handles this it could be real telling

 

Re: Goodell high fiving himself.

Ok... I dislike Goodell as much as the next, but I don't really see your point here.

Saints got caught doing something they shouldn't. That they had been warned about. He's obviously going to penalise them in some way.

 

I wonder whether Brees knew about the story being about to break ... Which might explain his unwillingness to get a deal done

 

Am I the only one that doesn't think this is that big a deal? Sure, if they were diving at knees and hurting people after the whistle than that's one thing... but if it's just hitting guys hard within the rules then have at it. How many times have people said on forums like these that we need to hit a QB to rattle him a little bit.

Plus, why is this new? It's well known the Ravens have had the same bounty on Hines Ward, and there was no "investigation." I agree that Greg Williams should be penalized because it's not right to offer guys money to hurt people, but c'mon... I'm tired of hearing about this already. If it's a clean hit then it's fine by me.

 

If your intention is for the guy to have to be carted off the field, it's not a clean hit.

Edit: And they got called for two roughing-the-passer penalties in the 2009 NFCCG, and all game, they were roughing-up Favre.

 

I still think there's a difference between "roughing up" and flat out dirty tactics.

For those that think it's so horrible did none of you watch Joe Greene and Jack Lambert play????

 

Look at my username. I get the necessary violence.

The way they were hitting Favre, though...I'm sick thinking that they were trying to injure him. And, yeah, if they had done the same to Tom Brady (the Saints played the Patriots that year), I would be equally disgusted. Even boxing has rules about what constitutes excessive/illegal violence. Trying to knock someone out of a game has no place in football.

There are times when you have to be brutal. Think about our team's most famous play. Jack Tatum should have won the game; he (legally) crushed the receiver in an attempt to cause an incompletion. (Yes, Tatum was generally a dirty player; that play was completely clean.) Had he caused an injury (and I don't know that he didn't), that's part of the game. In 2005 against the Chargers, one of their defenders lunged at Roethlisberger, trying to get a sack. He ended up hitting Ben in the knee and knocking him out for two games. That happens.

But to go after a player to try to get him carted off, and for there to be a monetary incentive to hit a player so he has to be carted off...ew. You can't do that.

 

Couldn't disagree more. Hard hits do not equal dirty hits.

 

Certainly sends the wrong message to our youth. That illegal play is OK of you win. Knowingly breaking the rules is cheating. Not to mention classless. What goes around comes around. On a positive note, this does provide a platform for a teaching moment for all of you youth coaches out there in any sport.

 

A hard hit is different from "Hey, I think I'll stick this guy in the hospital for a few days!" Again, think about boxing. If you pop a guy in the head, that's within the rules. If you kick at his testicles, or if you bite his ear...can't do that.

 

Waaaaaaaaaaay back when I was in high school,('72-75') one of the defensive coaches told the players that if they hit someone hard enough to put them out of the game, he would take them to Jack-in-the-box after the game. If they hit someone hard enough to put them out for the season, he would take them to dinner at the restaurant of their choice. My best friend collected when he broke the q.b.s leg.

Point is, this is nothing new and I would be surprised if every team didn't have a similar "program" in place. Especially the Ravens, Titans, Raiders.........

 

Who said anything about putting a guy in the hospital for a few days? Just because someone is carted off the field doesn't mean they were hit illegally.

Kicking a guy in the junk is illegal... period. Drilling a guy isn't as cut and dry.

 

Dude kicking someone in the nuts or biting their ear is CLEARLY illegal and dirty... You're contradicting yourself.

I and some others are saying just because you hit a guy hard and knock him out doesn't mean it's dirty. Going with your boxing comparison, that's like saying that swinging so hard that you're trying to knock them out is dirty... Now if you headbutt someone and knock them out that's different.


My thought is I don't care what the intention is as long as it's a clean hit.

 

I don't doubt that it goes on with every team. I very much doubt the Pats were the only ones recording practices. The point is, they got caught doing it.

 

Not to be pedantic but...Denver was caught taping practices. Pats were caught taping D signals from the sidelines.

 

No you're not. I don't see this as a big deal either. The money they were talking was chump change. $1000, $1500 for guys making $500K to $2MM. Peanuts really. And when you consider that a minimum fine if the league decdied you went over the line is probably $50K. What incentive is there really? This was bascially bragging rights stuff.

But now that this stuff is public, and was essentially endorsed by the coaching staff, Godell will have to come down on the Saints. And probabl will come down hard.

 

I remember watching the Saints beat the crap out of Favre that year, and was amazed that there weren't penalties on a lot of the hits. They definately hit him late, regularly, and with a lot more force than was necessary. No wonder he threw that interception at the end. Probably had a concussion by then.