Colin Cowherd Saying Tomlin is hurting Steelers..

And since 2012, the Steelers are 12-14 vs teams with losing records. Still no clue where Cowherd pulled this number from.

 

Including 2012? Anyway, 12-14 stinks, too.

 

Not sure. Cowherd did not specify that in his stats.

 

What he is saying is 100% accurate. He's not spewing emotional jabs, he's not making excuses, he's making an honest statement that many in steeler land want to refuse to believe. What he is saying you can't argue. It's true. But those who refuse to accept that our coaching is not good just throw out insults to discredit his statements. You can't actually argue logic when defending our coaching.

We are a team with an elite QB so we are probably never going to be worse than 8-8. How many teams can rival Ben, Brown, and Bell? Our talent should produce more than it does. Losing to inferior teams consistently is 100% on the coaches. How many elite QB's in the league have choked against inferior talent like we have? How many elite QB's in the league have the playoff failures we have the last 5 years? It's 5 years running. This is not a fluke year that just happens once in a while. We have been consistently inconsistent for 5 years straight. We have consistently failed in the playoffs for 5 years straight.

Don't use injuries as an excuse. That excuse is such BS. All teams have them. Sure if you lose Ben all year then I get it...that just hasn't happened. And for some reason with out Ben we suck. Losing to these bad teams has hurt our playoff chances big time and it's kept us out of the playoffs once or twice. We get schooled in the playoffs when we do make it. Explain losing to Tim Tebow in the playoffs. We were out coached. It really blows my mind that so many refuse to give any credit to the coaching staff. Yet all around the league you see the "good" coaches winning and the rest floundering with occasional fluke "good" seasons. When you don't really win a playoff game in 5 years.. you are floundering. You are not getting better. Every coach in the league would love the talent we have on offense and it's our talent that gets us to 8-10 wins every year.

 

Tomlin's defenders say it's the players. If it's the players I think we would consistently lose. Bad players don't win half their games. To be a Tomlin defender you would have to think our game plans have been so great we've managed to win 8-10 games every year just on the coaching genius of Mike Tomlin...and he's just winning with less talent. I've watched every game as I'm sure most of you have as well, that's not what is happening. Watch the games we win... How can anyone honestly say they think we have inferior players. On defense, sure... we lack 1 or 2 real play makers. We've got elite talent on offense.

I also think anyone who's played football and been around the game also recognizes one fact when it comes to coaching. Good coaches have their teams prepared every game. Good coaches always seem to have teams that don't make mental errors, know their plays, play disciplined, play sound technique. If our team is inconsistent with execution then its the coaches fault. That's their one job... get your players to execute. That happens by great preparation and putting the players in position to succeed. In HS I've played for good and bad coaches. The difference is night and day. You see it all the time. New coach turners around bad team. It happens for a reason. Coaches matter big time.

 

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Thoughts?


If such a trend continues this year... then maybe it could be Tomlin's fault given his track record. Otherwise it has to be the players.

 

"American Gridiron Football fans are the zenith of being as fickle as the autumn weather."

- AskQuestionsLater 2016

 

There is a pretty direct correlation to the Steelers losing to inferior teams and Ben playing pretty badly, especially on the road.

 

Ty for your thoughts, it added so much to the conversation, wtf????

 

True, but playing horseshoes has gotten old for most.

 

So either it's all Ben's fault we lose to bad teams or maybe it's a team sport and the coaches do not have the team prepared? Or maybe the game plan is bad? Or our players suck worse than those bad teams. Inconsistency is 100% on the coaching staff especially when it's against bad teams. There's more than 1 way to win a ball game. Expecting Ben to have a great game every week probably isn't smart either. Flukes happen. When those flukes become the norm it's a problem.

 

This. If someone can point to a game where the OL blocked great, the receivers were getting open, running game clicked, and the D was playing well on the road and Ben just sucked, that would be awesome.

It's a team thing win or lose. They're up and prepared for some games, not others. In the Ravens thread I pointed out three examples of how they followed up huge wins vs. Baltimore with letdown losses against bad teams.

This is an inconsistent team lacking discipline. That, like Cowherd says, is a reflection on coaching.

That's why this team can never really stack wins, like coach says they need to.

 

Yes. I mentioned in another thread that the stat displayed prior to the game against the Dolphins is that Ben throws 1+ INTs in the previous 8 road games. The loss to the Dolphins extends that streak to 9 games.

 

One of the best active win % as a coach in the league.
Entering top 20 in wins

It's actually very easy to argue.

Pretty much all of them besides Brady.

All around the league means "the Patriots" apparently... because anyone paying attention can see John Fox losing, the Panthers collapsing, Brees and Payton haven't sniffed contention in forever, Rivers has never taken his team anywhere... Eli hasn't gotten the Giants a playoff win in ages. Superstar Andrew Luck has been pretty meh. Is Andy Reid a good coach? When is he going to win a game that matters? What's Harbough/Flacco done recently? Havent seen Rodgers in a super bowl inawhile either... Arians is such a good coach, he just gets blown out in playoff games.

lazy logic is "the Steelers should win every game because Ben Roethlisberger, but injuries are a BS excuse"....

 

Not from me he hasn't. He was terrible then and is terrible now.

Pretty much

 

I'd just like to say I am enjoying your deconstruction of these BS arguments.

 

I'd like to submit the 49ers game from 5 years ago.

 

That is a fine point but those are not the games that people are looking back on I suspect.

I agree with points made above about the responsibility falling largely to the players but let's compare this against the pats organization.

Are their players more disciplined? More talented? I believe (as, I would guess, many if not most do) that the difference is the discipline imbued by the HC and how well his staff (under his direction) sets up the players and thus the team for success.

Now I'm not saying it's reasonable to expect MT to be as good as BB but I certainly thinks it's reasonable to criticize when he's not. After all, as it's our birthright as fans to expect more winning than less

And fwiw... I don't consider 8-8 a "winning" season.

 

Agreed
Every football game unto itself

The great irony is that there is a contingent of stupid Yinzers who think every loss is Tomlin's fault, and all wins are a credit to Cowher's Team or Ben Roethlisberger

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...eams-remains-terrible-after-loss-to-dolphins/

This article seems to be taking the record of the team when they played, rather than final record.

Not sure about Cowherd's stats. But a good point to raise.

 

The fact is he does have a losing record.

Every week, for 8 seasons, Dr. Gregory House kicked his ass.

 

I think Coach T does a good job i think we have a problem drafting, we must find a way to get better DB'S that is my main issue with this Team..