Putting players in position to succeed

More disturbing than the in game decisions, like to kick a 54-yard FG on 4th and 3, are the penchant this coaching staff has for putting players in position to fail.

To wit, Jesse James continues to get beaten like a drum in the run game, but he gets 3/4 of the snaps while DJ only gets 1/4. Bad enough with Ben in, but with Landry in we need to be downright dominant in the run game and we were not yesterday. Bell was pretty much making most of that on his own. Meanwhile, the Pats OL and two blocking TEs were opening monster holes for Blount.

This has already been discussed, but the decision to cover Edelman with Timmons was a head scratcher. Not sure he could have done that five years ago, he definitely can't now. I thought we were drafting athletic corners and safeties for jobs like this?

Those two fails killed us yesterday (would have even worse had Edelman not dropped one or two), but all year the continued rushing of OLBs who can't rush the passer has led to zero overall pass rush outside of the occasional Heyward inside pressure.

New England doesn't have a stacked roster by any means, but they seem to get the most out of their players because they ask them to do only the things they are capable of doing. We try to wedge square pegs into round holes and then blame the players when they fail to execute.

The difference between the two is stark.

 

Pats could use more fans

 

Nice intelligent rebuttal.

 

The coaches put the players in position to succeed.

Coaches don't throw INTs. Coaches don't miss blocking assignments. Coaches don't miss makable FGs. Coaches don't whiff tackles. Coaches don't fail to shed blockers so they can stop the run. Coaches don't fail to hit the opposing QB when they've actually shed their blocks. Coaches don't hold defenders on scoring plays.

 

The decision was made because we chose to play zone and unless you want to take Timmons off the field in zone defense, he is responsible for over the middle receivers. Take him off the field and they will just run it. Not that they didn't anyways but that is besides the point.

 

Jesse James can't block defensive linemen. Asking him to do so is putting him in position to fail. Jones and Moats can't rush the passer against offensive tackles - asking them repeatedly to do so is putting them in position to fail. Timmons cannot cover Edelman - asking...

Get the point?

 

Yes, I want him off the field because he cannot cover receivers, most of all shifty guys like Edelman. Of course, Tomlin will blame execution tomorrow, a lazy excuse for not being able to devise a scheme that takes advantage of his players' talents.

 

Exactly. I watched Belicheat go 3-1 with 2nd and 3rd string QBs because they game planned around what they had. Steelers never do that. This was your typical Steelers back-up QB game plan yesterday. Looked like a Ben game in his early years. Run, run, pass. Pass, run, pass. Copy cat league? Why don't they copy what the Cheatriots do? You telling me if they go 4-5 wide with Brown, DHB, Coates, Bell, etc. Landry couldn't throw slants or deep balls in 1 on 1 coverage all game? Whatever.

 

Do you want Tomlin or Butler to be the D coach?

 

Sounds like what you really want is different players?

 

Jesse James is a TE. Part of his job is to assist in blocking defensive linemen. If the coaching staff is asking him to do that, then it is because he has displayed the ability to be able to do so. If he is asked to do so, and he fails to do so in certain situations, then that is his failure as a TE.

Jones and Moats are LBs. Part of the job of an LB is to rush the passer against offensive tackles. If the coaching staff is asking them to do that, then it is because they have displayed the ability to be able to do so. If they are asked to do so, and they fail to do so in certain situations, then that is their failure as LBs.

Timmons is an LB. Part of the job of an LB is to cover passes in the second level...

Get the point?

 

Well, that too, but we don't have different players so we have to adjust with scheme. Who put the kibosh on all of the blitzing this year? We didn't have pass rushing OLB last year but got 48 sacks with scheme. This year, Butler and Tomlin have repeatedly said that we "have to get home with four", despite not having four guys who can do that.

The result is that we're on pace for 17 sacks.

That's a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

 

Julian Edelman is a wide receiver. Why do the Patriots never send him deep or ask him to win jump balls in the EZ? Isn't that part of his job? Why do they utilize him almost exclusively over the middle on linebackers?

The Patriots develop their scheme around their talent set, we force our talent set into our scheme.

Good coaching vs. bad coaching.

 

Landry Jones = 47 passes attempted
Le'Veon Bell = 21 rush attempts
54 yard FG tries on 4th and 2.


either we have some of the worst talent in the NFL or Mike Tomlin doesn't know what he's doing. So either the FO needs to clean house or the coach needs to be fired. Either way I see a team loaded with offensive talent and a franchise QB struggling to make the playoffs 5 years running. The Rooney's have to see there's a problem.

I have to wonder if it's not a combination of things... our GM came from the Lions front office. (not exactly a franchise anyone would want to emulate) and the only chance MT had running a defense he produced the worst pass defense in the league while DC in Minnesota.

 

True.

This is a question best posed to the Patriots HC and OC. It's how they plan their games with this receiver in mind. Why? That's their secret.

His job is to execute whichever responsibilities of a WR the Pats ask him to. Whether it is the entire set of WR responsibilities, or a subset of those, is up to the coaching staff.

Again, you need to ask Belichick and his offensive coaching staff.

What is the proof of this when the players have previously executed in the schemes the coaching staff has prepared (whether practice or in-game)?

Agree to disagree.

 

Two seasons ago, the Steelers won the division and went to the playoffs. Last season, the Steelers secured a wild card and defeated the division champion Bengals in the wild card game.

Additionally, they struggled to make the playoffs in 2005, under Cowher, and went on to secure a victory in SB XL.

 

You can rant all you want here, but you're directing it at the wrong people.
Try here.

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It boils down to this.... Them guys over there....good coaching. These guys over here... Bad coaching.

 

It's only a head scratcher if you don't understand play calls and scheme.

 

I thought discussion forums were places to hold discussions about the topic on hand, in this case, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Or is this just a place for cheerleading and pep rallies?

 

Do you think it is wise to have Timmons covering wide receivers at this stage of his career?

He doesn't need to be part of the scheme that allows that to happen.

But your blind loyalty to the coaching staff is duly noted.

 

There's zero schematic way to rush 4, double Gronk, and keep a safety over the top without having your LBers defend the hook and middle zones.

If you want your nickel back or safety covering Edelman as he comes over the short middle then you would complain about not doubling Gronk.

Learn something

Maybe you think we should've gone to a dime formation, and which point you'd complain about not being able to stop Blount

Every time you think you're smarter than NFL coaches, check yourself

 

Of course it's a place for discussion. Should be a place to cheer and support the team too. As fans we form opinions based on the little we see on tv, even getting the all 22 doesn't tell the whole story. We don't have access to practices, medical information, etc. This is a great place to discuss our opinions, but we have to remember that's what they are is opinions and not be so stubborn to realize that we are probably wrong more than we are right when criticizing with so little true knowledge. A lot more goes into decision making. As fans we get a very small amount of the true scope of why certain decisions are made. How can you sit here and say that the coaches don't know what they're doing and form an educated conclusion based on so little knowledge of the inner workings of the team? Would you want a Dr. to make a decision to perform surgery on you based on a video you posted on Facebook or would you want a Dr. who had access to your medical records and gave you a thorough examination to make that decision? I'm just suggesting you go straight the source of your frustration. You've continually suggested that the coaches don't know what they're doing and have all but said you do. Heck maybe you do know more? No sense in wasting time. Call that number and see if you can get an interview.

 

My goodness....


Have never seen someone act so voracious after a loss.


Last time I checked, key players are out and Pittsburgh can still capture the number two seed in the conference.


"R-E-L-A-X. Relax."

 

They can still get the #1 seed?