Trade possiblities!!

i don't think they will trade Wheaton, but I think they should..I will bet you that Eli wins the starting job in the slot and Wheaton has his worst year as a Steeler and he will not be resigned...So basically we will keep Wheaton and get very little from him so if we could get some real help on Defense for Wheaton it would make this Team much stronger ....

A true Safety would help this Team much more than Wheaton can help the Offense ..We have Eli,Coates,DHB,Coby and Ayers to fill the space of Wheaton meanwhile we have guys playing at Safety that shouldn't even be starting and guys behind them that are basically ST only type of guys...So yes a starting Safety for Wheaton would be a great deal for the Team and for the fans , but I would take nothing less ...

 

I think we will dress 5 because of the talent level at the position and the lack of talent at the TE position ...We have been running a lot of 3 WR sets in camp and in the preseason so all signs point towards dressing 5 instead of 4 ...Another point that I will make is if and when we do run more 3 WR sets a huge key to playing time will be the blocking ability of the WR'S as Coach T and Haley will still want to run a lot from those sets ...This is the main reason that I predict a lot fewer snaps for Wheaton as he is not as capable a blocker as Coates or DHB on the outside and Eli looks like he Loves to block , I have been watching that aspect of his game as much as any..

 

Agree with the dressing 5.

Not sure about Coates being a better blocker than Wheaton. Not enough game tape to show that.

 

A real Safety would help this Team big time.Also you have to look at the Offense without Ben ...If he goes down what is the value of Wheaton ? Not very much at all ..What would we depend on to get wins? The running game and Defense ...So my take is more balance would be better than having more talent than can be used ...

edit..Also DHB is much more scary than Wheaton ,you may not like him that much , but he is a lot faster than Wheaton and that scares defensive coaches and players a like ...Speed kills and DHB has that and no one can deny that..It aint like they can just hope he doesn't catch it ,they have to account for it ...Our most dangerous set is Coates and DHB as the outside WR'S with AB and Rogers as the slot WR'S...Plus don't forget about Bell as a pass catcher he is a true threat as well...

 

makes sense PWP

 

Trading Wheaton for a starting safety is a no brainier . Why? Because I think we are ok at safety. Not great but good. It would take a solid top safety to unseat Mitchell and a really good safety to beat out Golden who knows this system, shark who is proving this offseason the light may have turned on and promising youngsters Davis and Grant.

Only I don't see it happening realistically. Trading Wheaton is not a good decision right now in my opinion. Without Bryant and Miller we shouldn't trade him. Injuries happen and DHB isn't good enough and Coates is unproven as is Eli ( both who I really like ) .

Cajun

 

oh snap
i'm getting my popcorn
Dhb ???? oh no you didn't

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...dfOAhVCQBoKHTWQAQsQMwgeKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh...heaton-coming-off-unbelievable-offseason-work
Even his OC says blocking is Wheaton's biggest challenge,,translation ,,he is not very good at it..Now here is what the WR Coach says about Coates http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...u-should-know-about-steelers-rookie-wr-sammie this is what I see on tape from both of them ...

 

Like AB would say ,you play like you prepare and yes how you practice has a lot to do with how you play...Coates caught 73% of all his passes, Eli caught 74 % DHB 64% and Wheaton 33%..Drops Wheaton lead the camp with 3 on just 6 balls and DHB cut his drops from 5 last year to 2 this year on 25 attempts ....I am not a math major ,but 2 out of 25 is a lot better than 3 out of 6 ...http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/08/training-camp-statistical-recap-14-practices/

 

I'm calling foul PWP you can't use creative number crunching to support your claims about DHB and then abandon them to prove you're right about Wheaton. Yes 2 for 25 looks a lot better than 3 out of 6 but let's even up the sample size and look at them is there really much difference between 3 for 25 or 2 for 6? It's all just creative number crunching.

 

How is that creative ? Those are the numbers from the 2016 Steelers camp ...If you gave Wheaton 19 more attempts he would still be the drop leader even if he caught every one of them ....What numbers did I abandon ?

 

I don't think we could get Glennon or any real #2 QB for Wheaton ,that's why I said starting Safety as no one will give up a starting CB or a #2 QB for Wheaton...If they did it would make a stronger Team ....You make a good point about AB going down as well, Wheaton in no way could carry this Team....Wheaton can't block even his Coach eludes to that, so if we had to go run heavy he couldn't help with that either ...

So the value of Wheaton is only good if we have Ben and if we have Brown and only in the passing game,,,o.k. that sounds like a player you hang on to at all costs..

 

Fair enough, just a fun topic as the Steelers would not trade Wheaton anyway it's just not their thing...As I stated a starter at Safety would be required maybe another Team would fall in Love with that 200 yard game and give up a good player,again I doubt it, but if they would I damn sure would..That is all I am saying...

 

There is more to the numbers that just the black and white. DHB has 2 drops out of 25 targets. Ok what was the drill? What was the situation? Who was the QB? Was it a QB? Does it break down as 5 sets of five receptions? Were the drops back to back, same day, same practice what are the details behind them. Wheaton has 3 drops out of 6 targets, when did those occur? What drill? What practice? Consecutive drops? Same day? Do the numbers account for less work due to injury? Do they account for coaches holding guys out? What is the story behind the numbers.

I tried to find the thread but I distinctly remember you have stated last season or perhaps the season before that DHB had a better catch to drop percentage I think it was or maybe just drop percentage than anyone else on the team. I can remember because I said it was creative number crunching then because if AB is targeted way more than DHB it means his drops affect his average more than DHB who is targeted something like 17 times that season and dropped two. If I remember correctly it didn't matter to you what the sample size was just that the number was in your favor that's what I meant by abandoning numbers.

Edit: PWP is this doesn't make sense I apologize I have been fighting off a really bad sinus headache for two days and my thought process isn't flowing to the typed word just right.

 

Look at the circumstances regarding Marcus Wheaton, last year of contract, AB is going to break the the Steelers bank.
I like Marcus Wheaton a lot, but with the emergence of Coates/ Rodgers and DHB on special teams Marcus Wheaton becomes trade bait.
for a TE/ DB/BU QB. I also suggested V Williams who I like a lot, but seeing he just signed a 3 yr contract LJ Fort may now be the one the Steelers
look to move? The Steelers can evaluate the WR position.

 

i wouldn't do a thing with fort but sign him. johnson is the odd man out if it's up to me. matakevich and fort go nowhere if this is LT's final year. i think matakevich could have some worth on the outside as well. with bud, jj and chick hurting, harrison aging we need that extra depth that johnson just don't bring. fort would also become the new vince williams for us if LT goes. he and red become the new spence and williams. no way do i get rid of these guys. fort is also a good ST'er. he would also be a better shazier backup. he's better in coverage. we will be fine at safety especially if grant can move there part time. jj, harrison and LT all possibly leaving next year will leave a huge void so i'm keeping guys that can play right here.

 

Depending on a teams QB situation we easily could get a number 2 QB for Wheaton. A starting CB or safety is out of the question. I wouldn't trade him straight up for a back up QB though. That's awful... Our number 2 receiver for a guy who hopefully won't take a snap all season. We would need a starter in the secondary or a back up QB plus a back up secondary/WR type.

Being in the final year of his contract complicates things. I don't see a trade involving Wheaton...

 

first off ben likes to be comfortable with his receivers. tearing wheaton away from him after bryant and heath would be the stupidest thing they could do right now. wheaton equals security for ben right now.

 

Funny you should say that , because Wheaton and Ben are not on the same page a lot of the time and Ben when speaking on Wheaton is always stating keep learning the game,keep learning the Defense, things of that nature ...I look at this and draw a direct line to why Wheaton is so up and down ...Against concepts he understands he can be on the same page with Ben and have very good games against concepts he doesn't he is invisible during that game..This is why I want him outside ,less thinking and more playing, if we intend to get the best from him use sets that get him 1 on 1 and just let him play ball...

 

ben like what he likes. AB, heath, bell, deep to bryant. thats why wheaton didn't always seem to be on the same page as you say. he was the 5th option in the offense. i thought ben used him quite well last year. he will use him more this year. there are only so many balls to go around.

 

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