does this concern anyone else

I don't think he whiffed Glenn, I thought he had body position, had his hands on his man and was in position to make the block and seal the inside it was just a heads up football move that lead to the fumble

 

Got Ya.

 

It probably concerns the scouts a lot. It would be pretty hard to have your only job be to evaluate talent of prospects and then be ignored on draft day.

Imagine how the Broens scouts must feel:

"Do not I repeat do not draft Manziel. He is a fragile diva with the body of a high schooler who arcs passes so badly CFL QBs wince. Guaranteed to start a drug habit and party himself out of the NFL in two years.

*Will not wreck league only his girlfriend"

 

Yes it is . You have to have the type of players with certain type skill sets to match up with players that have certain type skill sets..

 

Not true ...His #s are down because of the amount of looks he gets . His knock has always been he couldn't catch.https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/13/top-20-drop-rates-among-nfl-receivers/

Read at the bottom he came into the Steelers with over a 16.% drop rate and now is at zero....I know you will say small sample size ,but a zero percent is better than it used to be no matter how you look at it..

 

That list is wrong or from the middle of last season or both. Says he had 17 catches and I know he had 21. Plus I know he had a few drops last year. Nice try though.
And why do you think it is that he isn't getting as many looks?

Wait for it...

Cause he's not that good. And I'm ok with what he brings as a fourth receiver. What I'm sick of is how you constantly overstate and exaggerate his value.

 

Indeed. All teams always factor in these two concepts. It will always be an arms race between ceiling vs. floor. In addition, there will never be a concrete correct pick unless that player is surefire HOFer; a commodity very seldom seen.

 

It's not that he is not that good it's the talent at the position in front of him coupled with high expectation future players that the Team force feeds like Wheaton and Bryant . Maybe DHB was never meant to be a true #1 WR , but he has the skills and tools to be a very nice #3 WR . Not bad for a guy who looks like he was never Coached until he got here .

Another thing that people just glaze over is he was a late starter to Football he didn't join the Team until his junior year so in reality he missed at least 6 years of organized coaching his routes look better each year his hands are looking better each year he becomes a better blocker each year . The bottom line is he is not a finished product yet . He was super raw when he entered the NFL and the Raiders did him no favors . The Steelers staff is doing a great job with him I see the progress clearly..

 

Didn't want to address that article you linked being wrong?
Next time you try to zing someone do a little more research.
DHB is average at best. Deal with it.

 

Nope it was correct at moment the article was wrote and I really didn't need to do more research .The eye test is all I need to see that he has improved and if you don't trust that then trust his Coach and his QB .Numerous reports of them complementing his improvement and making combative catches . Research if you would like I am good...

 

As far as numbers, you have to have a bench mark, a place to start, if you will. That alone only tells part of the story. I played and have coached a lot of football. I have watched a lot of football. I have seen guys that would come in last in a 100 yard dash that consistently run players down on a football field. It is what I call "football speed". Some guys have it and some don't. It isn't all about how fast you can run but how fast you can process information and then run. The guys that can do that quickly, beat someone else to a point, are the guys with "football speed". Those are the guys you want!

 

That's BS. You quote a story from middle of last season and try to use it to say he didn't have any drops? That's shady.

 

PWP is right.

DHB credited with 0 drops on 21 receptions by Sporting Charts.

I'm sure the numbers aren't 100% but it still shows improvement.

Bryant was near the top of the league with 9 drops on 50 catches.

AB had 2 drops on 136 catches.

Wheaton had 2 drops on 44 catches.

Now I know there were a bunch of drops in the Denver game so I don't know about these numbers but they certainly provide a rough framework for the discussion and appear to support PWP's favorite player haha!

Nice job DHB!

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/

 

If he would have referenced this we might have something. But he didn't.
Props to you for doing some good research and posting something legit.

 

he's had a fine wr's coach here. he has improved as have all of our receivers under Mann.

 

ok and the result of this one was the same ...I didn't have the time that day to search for it , but you now know at the time that article was wrote he had a zero percent drop rate and at the time of the other article he had a zero rate not sure what is Shady about that ? I said he Improved and it seems he very well did improve ..Pretty Shady on my part I guess ..

 

PWP,

That seems like a quote from the department of redundancy department.

 

Glenn... I`ve tried REALLY hard to stay outta this, because, I don`t think it`s that big of a deal, in general...

DHB helps the team as a 4th receiver, he MIGHT help more, now that Martavis is suspended for the year..

MIGHT help less, depending on how Coates develops..

I just don`t understand your seeming hate for the guy...

He has done better for us, than he ever did for the Faiders, that drafted him...

What I really don`t understand, is how you don`t seem to understand why he didn`t have a lot of balls thrown to him, given, who else Ben had to throw the ball to?!?

C`mon Man.. Ben could throw to Heath, Antonio, Wheaton, Bryant, Bell, etc..

And you focus on the fact that DHB had a limited number of opportunities for catches???


I see an improvement in his blocking skills, and his effort, when he DOES get a chance to catch the ball..

I see an opportunity to stretch the defense down the field with his speed... (They can`t "Assume" he will drop the ball...)...

I may not have the love for him, that PWP does...

But I think he is a valuable asset on offense, or kick returns, at the price we pay him..

Of course he`s not gonna get the "targets" that our number 1 thru 3 recievers do, but he still has value...

JUst my 2 cents..

Can`t say he sucks, just because Ben doesn`t throw to him very often...

GO STEELERS!

 

P.S., EDIT...
OOPS......

Sorry about that...

Didn`t mean to go off on a tangent,
I agree with one of the first repliers, who said the scouts scout, and the coaches/front office evaluate the talent that the scouts bring to their attention..

It`s not a science, it`s a gamble...
And we win more often than we lose...

I`m not concerned about a disconnect in our FO...

We`re not Cleveland!!!

GO STEELERS!

 

Glenn isn't discarding the notables per se... He's just what the who.e world knows. Yes he's been better here... Does it translate into HOF pandemonium? No!

He's good at what he's asked to do here and could maybe even shine brighter with more opps, but that's the arguement in the 1st place ain't it?

You don't want to have to rely on an unproven commodity regardless of the what if ceiling/scenario when he's had a bit of time in the league to be fingered already.

Anything that he's does unexpected or not that yields positive dividends is great, and we'll appreciate it across the fan base. However, no arguement can change what he is t or what he was thought to be. It just is what it is at this point. I for one hope he blows are socks off in a positive manner, but I'm not buying into his stock anytime soon.

 

This says it all in a nutshell for me.

 

What's up Bleed!
I'm good with DHB as the fourth receiver. This has more to do with PWP's nonstop drooling over the guy.

 

I hadn't mentioned him in months you brought it up and then I showed you proof he is doing better here than he did at the Raiders . The staff has done a great job with DHB and it proves that Raw Talent can be cultivated with the right farm system . I say DHB was and is #2 WR material in the right place with the right people . What if the Raiders hadn't drafted him and he would have landed with the Steelers instead of Wallace ?

He was faster than Wallace, he was stronger than Wallace,he was a better blocker than Wallace. And it is very clear that Ben is a better QB than anyone DHB has had before.How good could DHB be now ? So it is really not crazy talk to expect DHB to improve each and every season here and he can and will yield good results when his number is called .

 

Actually you did bring him up.