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nkemdiche question

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by steel1031, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    I have seen 4 mocks this morning that have him going after us. 1 to the packers, 2 to the chiefs and 1 to seahawks.

    I know its off the field stuff and I am not saying I would want him. I have watched him dominated games in the sec for the last 2 years and there is no denying that he is a top 5 talent.

    I love this organization and have faith in them. that being said, am I naïve in thinking we could keep him straight. I think we might have helped Bryant, so?

    I love heyward and tuitt. I can tell this kid has potential to be great. just asking some opinions because I haven't seen his combine numbers and never dreamed he would be dropping that far
     
  2. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well, I haven't followed his situation closely, but my initial thought is no way based on: 1. Everything I've read recently such as him saying Tunsil was there for his incident, and Tunsil refuting it, him saying it wasn't drugs even though he was arrested for possession and was supposedly photographed with a bong a year or two ago, him admitting that he was lazy at times at Ole Miss, 2) numerous comments of buyer beware by scouts and people who do follow character issues more closely than I do, and 3) very little production as compared to great physical talent (which seems to corroborate the lazy statement).

    I only watched one game tape, and that was several weeks ago. I don't remember the specific game, but my impression was so-so.
     
  3. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    By the way, his combine numbers were good to great. 4.87 40 at just under 300 lbs. 28 bench reps. 35" vert. Just under 10' broad. So where's the production to match the ability? 6.5 sacks and zero forced fumbles in 3 years? It's not like he was a 2 gapper occupying blockers. He was a 3 tech who's supposed to penetrate and make plays. He has Aaron Donald type of physical traits, but he had half the production in 3 years than Donald had in 1 year. I'll need to watch more film to be sure, but I'm not feeling this player at all.
     
  4. SGSteeler

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    Love his potential. He's a "Clowney lite" type of athlete for his size... I don't see us having a ton of interest if he really has the off field issues that have been mentioned. I'd take a chance on him tho. He could be a great player.

    Idk why the lack of production is an issue for some. I feel like almost everyone loved the Dupree pick last year and he had very little production based off his talent. They are similar prospects in that they are both excellent athletes who are very talented and very raw with underachieving production at the collegeiate level (at least numbers wise). I wouldn't let that deter me from picking him
     
  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don't think they're similar at all. Dupree showed effort and rawness. This guy shows something else in my view. Personally, I watched the film on Dupree last year and formed my own opinion on why I was OK with his lack of production. Some of it had to do with what they were doing with him schematically, and some had to do with rawness and lack of technique. On the one game that I watched of Nkemdiche, I didn't see that effort. Just my view.
     
  6. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for combine numbers. I hadn't even looked. His sack numbers may have not been great. I don't know what game u watched but I can tell u he is every bit as good as advertised. Plays the run extremely well. I understand ur opinion cause I think alot like u do on it
    I wouldn't be horrified if we picked him but he is a risk.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

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    Steelers won't touch this guy. Their last two drafts they haven't gone near a player with even a hint of off field issues and gone the exact opposite direction, high character guys.

    I wouldn't waste a pick on him either.
     
  8. turtle

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    So many options on the DL/DE guys in the first round, why would you get the one with character issues? That would be my question if I were deciding. Lawson, Dodd, Butler, Rankins, etc...all could be available.
     
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  9. Wardismvp

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    My friends he doesn't have Aaron Donald's heart, may have the traits but thats about it. Takes way too many plays off. Aaron will be the king of Hollywood ,Ha Just another Pitt Panther
    making it BIG. Tyler Boyd next, James Conner after him. Lets see Larry, Shady Revis, lewis, Donald am I missing anybody? Narduzzi will wake up the sleeping giant.
     
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  10. Steel_Elvis

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    So, I've gone back to watch more tape. I'm not done, but I will say that his 2015 game vs Alabama was great, especially in the first half. It shows that if someone can get through to him, his potential is very high. He played with passion and intensity for most of that game, and had a solid impact taking away Alabama's run game early. His 2015 Auburn and Miss St game were more mixed, but he had some flashes.

    There are certainly times when laziness shows up, and a good coach and solid veteran player mentoring will be key for him. Even with that, he'd probably be a top 15 pick were it not for the off field stuff. I'm reading that his combine interviews with teams were very bad, but it's hard to comment on that since the information the the media gets is second hand from anonymous team sources.

    Too bad there are so many question marks. Give him the personality and effort of James Harrison, and he'd be the best 3 tech in the entire league. However, what are the chances of the lightbulb coming on?
     
  11. GB_Steel

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    This is not the kind of talent I'd take a risk on in the first.

    A drug guy like Spence I can live with. Young people make stupid decisions all the time and can recover.

    A guy labeled lazy with other character issues? No thanks. That's worse than making a bad decision or two with weed or other drugs. That's the kind of problem that can stick with a person for life.
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i watch this catbird and wonder what if. i know the odds are against it but i have to wonder what would he bring paired with dupree, tuitt, and heyward. a 300 lb. guy that can move like this. who do you block? he could play outside, he could play inside pretty much just like tuitt and heyward. they could move around presnap and cause disruptions. another guy in this mold may be this matt judon cat. seems like a smart kid too. dodd or lawson could fit this mold too. i'm just not ready to dismiss this yet. i know his production overall wasn't tremendous but they planned to double this guy always. would we pull the trigger?:cool:
     
  13. NY STEELERFAN

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    I think with the amount of talent in this draft at that position the Steelers will stay clear of him. Billings, Rankins and Johson all give us just as good value with less risk, jmo.
     
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  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    they are good but i don't think we will be anywhere near rankins and none of those guys are as athletic as he is. this kid could line up as an OLB/DE at 300 lbs. or inside as a DT. he runs like a FB. they used him on offense. he has 3 TD's. probably not a favorite since bryants recent dealings though. maybe he drops with his troubles. :cool:
     
  15. Dean

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    Mac, you made a point but the timing of what Bryant has done will prohibit us from looking at him. But I know what you mean. You want to knock the snot out of somebody on defense. :)
     
  16. NY STEELERFAN

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    I haven't watched much film on DT cause I was watching some CB and I just don't have the time lately to sit down and watch a bunch. With that said I try to get in as much as I can and I watched the Shrine game, Senior Bowl, NFLPA Game(not sure the exact name) and some of the combine. I did put my attention on CB/S and DT. Rankins , Butler, Day and Johnson are some guys that stood out to me. I am not sure what game it was I watched Butler and with one hand pushed the olineman out of the way, but when I watched his game film I didn't see any of that. I only watched one game on him and really wasn't impressed enough. I also watched some on Billings cause he was getting a lot of talk on here and was surprised to see him drop into coverage.

    I am not doubting Nkemdiche's skill set I am just saying with what we have gone thru and this kids history we are probably gonna stay away. Maybe I am wrong and that's fine I am fine either way, I feel no matter which direction we go we are gonna get a very good player. I understand what your saying cause I know early in the "mock draft" process this kid was very high on the board, at one point being in the top 5 if I remember right.
     
  17. Wardismvp

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    As much as I don't want a DL early, I think Rankins is in the mix?
     
  18. turtle

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    I think he's a good player, but will go earlier than our pick at 25. They didn't seem to bring the staff to his pro day like some of the other guys, unless I missed it. Maybe they think he'll be gone or prefer another player???
     
  19. freakfontana

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  20. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i'd have to say i wouldn't be disappointed in this pick.:cool:
     
  21. freakfontana

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    we pick late this draft is a rebus , a lot of our targets could be gone .. i will tell you when we are on the clock ...
     
  22. SteelCity_NB

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    I wouldn't hate the pick but I would be awfully nervous about it. I think he goes before #25 though.
     
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  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Agree. The kid has oodles of natural ability, but will he screw it all up? He's a huge risk/reward kind of pick.
     
  24. steelersrule6

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  25. Wardismvp

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    Takes too many plays off.
     

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