~ OFFICIAL 2016 TSF.COM FANTASY DRAFT STEELERS VOTING & DISCUSSION ~

I don't know how you come away thinking he's a 2 down run stuffer.

When I look at my board, I don't see any logic in moving down in the first, to move up in the 2nd.

 

Doesn't rattling off a bunch of names who can help the team make the draft deep? A lot of talent in rounds 3 and 4. Some positions are deeper than others as always.

 

Ok so the real issue here is you have Billings a ton higher then I do and from the sounds of it a lot of other people here do. With that said you only trade back the number of spot you have "prime" picks for, example here we have Billings, Apple, Fuller, WJ3, Dodd and Ogbah. All these guys offer very similar value so moving back 6 spot would not hurt. Now I was saying the Packers is a good fit for us to trade with and that's 2 spots, Seattle is 1 not gonna hurt while gaining an extra pick.

Speaking of the extra pick, yes rattling off a bunch of names does make the class deep. If you don't understand that fine I can't change your mind. There are guys in the projected 4th and 5th round that I would jump for joy over Sean Davis, Cryus Jones and Harlan Miller would offer impact from day one.

It isn't like I am saying trade from the #5 pick to the #25 pick or even out o the 1st round, I am talking 2-5 picks. With that much talent on the board it is a nobrainer!!!

 

Trading down because you can't make a pick for yourself, so you allow other teams to make the decision for you... Is also a form of weakness. I can see trading down when the value of the players isn't equal to the draft range your current pick is in. But you don't trade down from first round talent and let other teams decide the player for you. Other teams shouldnt decide whether we go Pass Rusher or Coverage player. Other teams shouldnt decide whether we invest in Eli Apple or WJIII. Other teams shouldnt decide whether Ogbah or Dodd is a better edge bender.

I want our front office to take the right guy, not allow other teams to make that decision for us... especially at the measely reward of another lotto ticket in a weak 3rd or 4th round.

I mean, i get it... it's fun. My initial reaction was to trade down in a similar scenario. MORE PICKS TO PLAY WITH!!!! But it's a bad strategy.... and one we rarely employ in the 1st round.

 

Well considering we went DL instead of CB in the 1st..... I would be greatly disappointed if picks 2 & 3 were not CB & Safety. Just my amateur opinion.

 

SE explained it very well and I will add to that as well. I am not allowing other teams to choose our players what I am doing is setting us up for more success in this draft by gaining more picks. All while moving a few spots and with very same(if not the same) talent to choose from. The difference is you have Billings as a top tier guy and most of us here have him as an equal to the players left.

Now as for the weakness part, I don't get it how does trading back while still getting a player you want and gaining extra picks make you weak? Also are we talking weight lifting or drafting, gaining more picks to increase your odds on getting talent only makes you smart not weak. The draft is a crap shoot anyways so the more chances you have the better your chance to nail a few.....jmo.

Let's not forget your comment that this is a weak draft class, have you watched Day from ND play, he tore it up at the sr bowl or shine game I get them mixed up but feel free to go back and watch him. Not a bad guy in the 4th and the same thing can be said for a ton of players Davis and Jones as mentioned before. I love it when guys bash a class because they read what the talking heads write(not saying you) and not see for themselves. I will tell you this right now I have watched a lot of CB's and people may totally disagree but Harlan Miller and Frankie Williams are right up there with the best of them and they are all late round gems.

 

My argument is based on the fact that teams rate players, placing them in tiers/values/rounds. Teams generally trade down when they don't have someone available in the tier/range they are drafting IN THE FIRST ROUND. Good teams DON'T trade down in the first round when they have multiple players available in that tier of the first round. They trust themselves to make the right player decision, they dont defer to the teams around them

Again. If Dodd, Ogbah, Apple, and Jackson III are all on the board and all relatively equal in YOUR opinion, and you would trade down 4ish spots to take the one who is remaining, then I think you are really bad at your job. It's your job to determine which one is the best fit for our system, it's your job to determine which position is a priority. You essentially want to punt on your responsibility, and let other GMs decide for you... all so you can get an extra pick to draft Sean Davis in the 3rd round. That might fly in Cleveland, but that's now how we do things in Pitt.

I understand using draft simulators makes trading down seem more appetizing, "Look, I still got Apple and added these 3rd and 4th rounders!!!" But that's fantasy, not reality.

 

Yes, you are. That's exactly what you are doing by trading down in the scenario that has been presented. You don't set yourself up for success by adding mid round picks. You set yourself up for success by scouting Dodd, Ogbah, Apple, Jackson (or whatever collection of 1st round talent you view available at our draft slot), and making the right choice.

I was at the Shrine game, Sheldon Day wasn't

 

Cam/Tuitt don't have to come off the field.

LEO-Dupree
3Tech-Tuitt
1Tech-Billings
5Tech-Heyward

It's essentially an Under front for our Nickel... and keeps us stout against the run (something we were susceptible to in Nickel).

We can then also transition in to a run base 4-3 as well, giving Jarvis a role he's actually suited to as a Strong Side LBer (Subbing in for the Nickel back)

I don't view Billings as a NT. I view him as a hybrid DT, a 3 down DT. He can play 0, 1, and 3 tech. And when we play significant games against pocket passers like Flacco, Brady, Dalton, etc and front line of monsters that can penetrate instead of relying on edge benders is definitely a direction this team is headed.

 

full discosure:
I traded down in the draft game
games are fun

 

By trading down, you've deferred the evaluations of "several players" to other teams to allow them to dictate which of those players falls in your lap, and you did it to acquire middle round talent in a weak draft. Players in the 3rd-4th rounds have a significantly lower success rate then the players in the draft range that you deferred your analysis on. You can tell me all about the players you like in those middle rounds, and you'll be wrong about most of them... and so will our front office.

It's a bad front office approach, but fun in a game.

Again, talking about trading down in the first round... not deeper in to the draft. I'm all for trading down later in the draft when we are talking about a 1 out of 10 success rate. Give me more lotto tickets.

 

Really are you kidding me 1st off I did say sr bowl or shrine game, pretty hard to keep it all straight....and good for you for being at the shrine game....did ya watch any of it cause it was full of players who are projected as mind round picks....again like Davis and a kid who had a pretty good game there Allison wr........

Anyways you can trade down and still end up with the same player you would have nothing says that player won't be there. If I remember right Belicheat and the pats do this.......

 

yea, it was full of 5th-UDFA round talent, that will go in the 3rd and 4th round because this draft is weak on talent. Massive overflow of underclassmen declaring in 2014 and 2015, has left this senior class very weak in terms of both top talent and depth at the senior level, which will facilitate "Shrine game level" players getting drafted higher than they normally would. And nearly another 100 underclassmen declared this year, because there is so much room on the 256 board...

It's an incredibly weak draft class overall.

 

I'd hoped I wouldn't miss this, but I've been under the weather since Monday (and still am)....definitely an interested result...I called CB all the way on this one...guess we'll see how it pans out in the coming rounds.

Too funny!

 

You concluded your evaluation without prioritizing team need and without being able to separate the value of those 4 or 5 players by more than a late 3rd or 4th round pick? That doesn't sound like good evaluation to me. I'm not trying to be annoying, so if debating this any further is insulting feel free to tell me to eff off

If you're the GM and you can't decide between CB A and DE A and DT A, and you'd let another GM decide for you, at the return of a 3rd round pick. I think that's poor front office decision making. Now, if you told me you had Apple, Jackson, and Mackenzie all rated equally and were going to trade down a couple spots to address CB, that's a slightly different story.