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Shannon Sharpe Says Ben MVP of SB XLlll

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Many of us already think that but just nice to hear it from the horses mouth :lolol: He was on the Fan today. So was Mike Tomlin but came in on the end of his interview, going to go look that one up now to see if anything was revealed about our next OC.
     
  2. mort159

    mort159 Well-Known Member

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    shannon Sharpe is a loudmouth.If ben should have won, he would have won.

    9 for 131 and a TD for Holmes was pretty impressive. Especially when the TD was the greatest catch in Super Bowl History. Ben was only 21-30 for 256 1TD and 1 INT. Homes had half of Ben's yards and his only TD. Holmes was also unstoppable on the final drive, i believe he had 4 catches of Ben's 5 completions on that drive. Rodgers-Cromartie had no chance. Too bad what happened to him. If he could have stayed straight he could have been great.

    If they were going to give it to someone else Harrison could have been a canidate with the INT return. Warner had a much more impressive game then Ben had. Probably another reason why Ben didn't get it.

    Maybe some day for Ben. I think he will get at least 1 more shot at it.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    lol, how did I know you'd be here. Most people agree it should have gone to Ben OR like you mentioned, Harrison. And who do you think threw the ball to Holmes for those 131 yards and an absolutely perfect pass over the hands of three Cardinals for the game winner? A pass that should have been caught the play before on the other side of the endzone but went through Holmes hands. The pressure on that last drive is so much greater for Ben then anyone else on the team and that's true of any QB.
     
  4. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Stats? Oy... Warner had a "much more impressive day"? Oy...

    1. Harrison
    2. Ben
    3. Holmes

    1. Harrison had a great game all around. He drew I believe 2 holding penalties at crucial times, and spotted us 14 points. FOURTEEN. Without that play my friends, we lose. I know it was the first half, but without that play, we lose. Combining the coolness factor with the importance factor, it was the greatest play in NFL history, and remained so even after the game was over and another cool play had happened. He was a monster from start to finish that day, just like all season. I believe he lost the vote when he was penalized for destroying Aaron Francisco, albeit in a completely legal way and in accordance with every NFL rule (no matter what John Madden says).

    2. Only 21-30/256/1/1? The INT was completely not his fault, if you'll remember correctly. He played lights out for us all game long, and he was a larger part of that final drive than Holmes was, showing excellent grace under pressure and throwing pinpoint passes on broken down plays, including two perfect game-winners. Great catch by Holmes, but the throw was just as good, if not better. It's a good catch and a tough catch, but like the play before, it's a catch you expect a receiver to make. That's not a throw you expect anyone to make.

    3. Holmes had a good game throughout as well, but of course the bulk of his work and the reason for the trophy is the final drive. He came through for us in the clutch, and was 1 for 2 on game winning catches. The biggest play game when the man guarding him fell down.

    Frankly, if a QB and receiver hook up together 10 plays in a row, that still doesn't mean to me that the receiver is playing better than the QB. Of course Holmes played great and got open and held on, I'm not trying to take that away from him, but if all 10 throws are perfect, what more can the QB do for you?

    Warner did have mostly a great game. Well, he had a great second half. He was on the losing end of that 14 points. So if you want to put him ahead of Ben in the MVP voting, you're going to have to subtract one James Harrison from his stats. Ah, the stats. I think Warner did throw for over 300 yards though, so despite his two turnovers on the last plays of each half that were both his fault and cost his team the game, he did play better than Ben, who was nearly flawless and had one INT on a ball tipped high in the air by a nose tackle.

    Then again, like you said, if Ben should have won, he would have won. People who vote for stuff like this are never, ever wrong! My new rankings:

    1. Holmes
    2. Warner
    3. FitzGerald
    4. Ben Patrick (100% of catches went for TDs) :o
    5. Harrison
    6. Ben
     
  5. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    All 3 had a valid case for MVP. I can't argue it either way. Although, that night, I wanted Harrison to get it. Maybe the greatest CRUCIAL play in SB history.
     
  6. Wardismvp

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  7. steel_d_curtain

    steel_d_curtain Well-Known Member

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    Defensive players very seldom win that award. Only like what? 3 in the last 30 years.

    Ben shouldve been MVP because if it was a Brady, Manning, Rodgers last minute comeback they would have gotten the credit no matter what their stats were.

    P.S Warner had better stats than Roethlisbrger. But, Fitzgerald had better stats than Holmes with 2td rec instead of Holmes 1....
     
  8. harristotle

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    Should have been Ben or Harrison... I hope Ben wins at least 1 more Super Bowl simply so he can finally snag that MVP for himself.
     
  9. ScottChab

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    Yeah, Ben shouldn't get any credit for the passes Holmes caught especially during the game-winning drive. Holmes dropped one on the previous play that was an easier catch and the game-winner was thrown where no one else could have caught it.
     
  10. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    To me it should have gone to either Ben or James, but it wasn't like Holmes didn't deserve it either. You could easily make a case for all 3. To say Ben didn't deserve it is kinda, forgive me, ........asinine tbh.
     
  11. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    Shannon Sharpe makes a lot of statements. Not all of them should be believed.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    When Sharpe says something positive about a Steeler, I listen. But, I already knew Ben deserved it more then Holmes. :thumbsup:
     
  13. 4EvrH8O'donnel

    4EvrH8O'donnel Well-Known Member

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    My first thought is how did you even understand a word that Shannon Sharpe said?

    Was is something like this?

    I'D DA BELEB DAT BIG BLEN SHOULB DA GOT DA MBP UB SOOPPA BOL FOOTY THREEB.

    Got to agree with him though. Like someone stated before. If it were Manning, Rogers, Brees, Marsha or even Rivers its automatically going to them for the same exact performance.

    In my eyes though, it will give Ben even more incentive to get back and put a stamp there.
     
  14. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    You are ALL wrong! The true MVP of that game was BRUCE ARIANS! As Napoleon Dynamite would say "GOSH!" Ok, in reality it should have been Ben.
     
  15. ScottChab

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    :roflmao:
     
  16. mort159

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    It's easy to say now that Ben should have gotten it with Holmes not being a Steeler anymore. If Holmes was still a Steeler and playing well, most would say he got it rightfully so. The final drive by Ben was great, but he was also helped by a wr who was getting wide open one every play. Had Holmes not caught the final TD i do believe it would have gone to Harrison. Ben's stats were not that great.

    21-30 256 yds 1TD and 1 INT- I believe his yard and rating were not even in the top 30 all time in the super bowl. As many people think that stats shouldn't matter much, the reality is they do when it comes to these types of awards.
     
  17. 4EvrH8O'donnel

    4EvrH8O'donnel Well-Known Member

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  18. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    :roflmao: ...... :( Sad but true. Then again, it was only second down and we could have always kicked a field goal on 4th to tie it.
     
  19. rukus4ever

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    Debatable. However, I also thought Ben was superb in that final drive! That final pass was ridiculous. He threw it just right for Holmes to catch it in the last possible way he could and into a tight space surrounded by what I believe were three Cardinals near that corner of the end zone.

    I would have been in favor of tri-MVP, Ben, Harrison, Holmes! :good:
     
  20. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    I think he meant if another WR would have caught the game-winner, instead of Holmes.
     
  21. mort159

    mort159 Well-Known Member

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    Yes or ran it in. Harrison's play was one of the greatest in Super Bowl history and so was Holmes. I could also have seen Warner getting it, being that he threw for the 2nd most yards in Super Bowl history and it was against one of the greatest defenses ever.

    This is not taking anything away from Ben, because i think the final drive was his finest moment as a Steeler, but there were so many great preformaces in that game it would have been hard to give it to him.
     
  22. NecessaryRoughness

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    I voted for Holmes. I do not regret making that vote.

    That said, if Ben's jersey had said Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers/Rivers/Vick/Elway/Staubach/Montana/Unitas/Favre/etc with the exact same game, the QB would have won MVP.
     
  23. HugeSnack

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    Ohhh yeeeeeaaaahhhhh! Now I remember! For a year after that game, I was glad they gave it to Holmes and thought he deserved it. And then, after he was traded, I gradually started thinking that he didn't deserve it after all. Don't you guys remember how we all used to think he deserved it??

    Come on. Harrison plays defense and "should have been ejected" for his BS personal foul, and Ben was fresh off rape accusations. He was still living that down, and was one of the most hated players in America. I think the voters were tickled pink when Holmes scored, because it gave them an excuse to give it to someone else. As everyone else has already said, if he was any other quarterback, he'd have won the MVP easily. If you think they are up there running his stats through a "previous MVP" database, you're mistaken. His stats were fine, and he played better than his stats. And I'm pretty sure he's not running for MVP of all Super Bowls, just that one. Warner played worse than his stats. Oh, but he's got more TDs. You know that two of them were from the one yard line, right? When the Steelers were in that situation, they ran one with Gary Russell, and called a QB draw on another (BA), on which a certain LG by the name of Kemo didn't feel like blocking. And this is how you decide the MVP?

    Still, the biggest problem with your theory is that you seem to give the receiver all the credit for every pass connection. Ben improvised every one of those plays and threw a perfect pass right to Holmes, including two perfect game-winners. Yes, Holmes got open and caught most of them, but what else do you want Ben to do?

    I don't see who in their right mind could possibly say that Warner played better than Ben in that game. More yards? Are you kidding? Warner had two game-losing turnovers! Despite his mostly great game, he is the number one reason they lost! This is a perfect example of stats being completely meaningless.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Exactly right. Also, one of the defenders fell down on on catch to Holmes so I would hope he could get wide open and the winning catch couldn't have been covered any tighter, that was a pass for the ages and he did it back to back, Holmes should have caught the one right before that.

    And not that I believe Warner deserved it over Ben but has a losing player ever gotten the MVP? Not sure why he is even being mentioned.
     
  25. BobbyBiz

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    Are you aware that those stats are almost identical to Super Bowl 42 MVP Eli Mannings numbers from the year before. Maybe David Tyree should have gotten the MVP that year since his catch is probably clutch catch #1b in Super Bowl history?
     

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