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Why does the NFL rehash coaches like they do?

Discussion in 'General NFL Talk' started by Wardismvp, Jan 19, 2016.

  1. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Isn't there someone else qualified out there. Mike Mularkey. Hue Jackson and others

    C'mon there has to be other qualified candidates out there? Or do these owners want yes men?
     
  2. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if you remember Deljzc or not, but he always referred to the NFL hiring process as the "good ol' boy network". I agree 100% with that sentiment, especially in the FO/scouting circles.
     
  3. SteelerJJ

    SteelerJJ Well-Known Member

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    I think Hue is an exception. He did the best he could with a completely dysfunctional Raiders team and front office. Getting fired from there wasn't really justified but probably a blessing in disguise.
     
  4. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think Hue will do well in Cleveland, assuming ownership and the FO stay out of his way. I think he did a good job with his limited opportunity in Oakland.

    But that owner and two baseball guys in the FO lead me to believe that team may be dysfunctional for a time to come.
     
  5. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I do remember Del and think highly of his football IQ. I just have to wonder why this keeps
    happening? These are retreads that need to get on with their lifes work.
     
  6. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Bill Bellichick and Pete Carroll were both retreads who won Super Bowls. There may be others, and there have certainly been other fired coaches that had success. A team needs to understand the situation that the coach was in. There are some situations where the best coach will have trouble. There are also situations where a coach will learn what not to do the hard way, and be better for it the 2nd time around. Personally, I think Hue is doomed even if he does an amazing job. The baseball Browns are not a franchise to hitch your cart to right now.
     
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  7. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I hear ya SE, they were fairly young at this time? It just seems to me that these same people get all
    the chances. If I am an owner I tell my people, get me candidates that know football and can teach it,
    and have passion for the game. I am antique/ old school I am not so sure my methods would play out
    in today's society.
     
  8. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well, coordinators got 1st time head coaching gigs in Miami, New York (Giants) and Tampa. For the record, I agree with you on Mularkey. However, Hue Jackson looks to be the real deal to me. He got royally hosed by the Raiders. He improved that team significantly in 1 year there. He was 8-8. They fired him, and the team dropped to 11-37 over its next 3 years combined. His problem in Cleveland will be the organization and ownership. I'm not sure anyone can have success there.

    Another interesting one is Chip Kelly getting the job in San Fran. He's definitely not part of the NFL old boy network, but he is a retread. Maybe Kap can thrive in Kelly's system. I think it's definitely better than trying to turn him into a traditional pocket passer. Where Kelly really messed up was personnel management. Now he's with a GM who has built strong rosters in recent years. It will be interesting to watch.
     
  9. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I think the talent evaluator that built that strong roster in SF is in DC running the show for Daniel Snyder.
    The guy knows how too evaluate just has so much baggage and personal problems, he became a liability.
    We shall see going forward.
     
  10. MorrisFoster

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    I think part of it is coaches and players are given too much individual credit for a team's success.

    Belichick wouldn't have one Super Bowl if he had stayed on the Browns.

    But Belichick went to a good organization and Brady has been one of the best QBs ever for that franchise while also taking pay cuts to sign additional pieces to the team.

    Now you have Belichick "coaching tree" disciples like McDaniels and Mangini getting HC jobs.

    Same for the Steelers- Mularkey, Arians, Whisenhunt etc. got HC jobs presumably based on the team's success as a whole because those were defensive teams.

    Belichick was from Parcells' coaching tree. Cowher from Schottenheimer.

    Tomlin was severely under qualified IMO but from the Dungy tree and associated with the Bucs secondary.
     
  11. Lizard72

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    Belichick get's too much credit for Brady (IMHO). If Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, Brady never sees the field!

    If they don't have the interpretation of the tuck rule, they don't start the "Decade of Dominance".
     
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  12. MorrisFoster

    MorrisFoster Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that tuck rule was garbage. The NFL interprets plays poorly. It is simple physics- unless the defender hits the ball a certain direction- if the ball travels forward after a hit it was a theowing motion if it travels backwards it was not.
     

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