Gerry Dulac's Steelers chat transcript: 1.13.16

I saw where Gary''s first answer was that of the Shazier hit on Gio, and why he was not flagged. I was saying the same thing on the Bengals board...but they said I was wrong, an Idiot, ect, ect.




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You will never win that argument with Bengal fans. They have borrowed a page from the team and shielded themselves from the truth with denials and conspiracy theories.

 

Yup, just like that team from the Northwest. Can't even have a discussion about football with them before they get irrational and accuse the Steelers of stealing a Superbowl through the NFL fixing it......

 

Who is "Mitchell" in that transcript?

I think I've seen one person ever say Shazier was a bust and it was because of his injuries.

Blake was embarrassing to watch on J Hill's long run that set up a TD. Took a bad angle, missed a tackle (hard to believe) and then showed no effort to make up for it by trying to chase Hill down.

Jarvis is just Jarvis. 9M cap hit next year for a guy who should be going into his prime but had 2 sacks in 15 games this year...

In conclusion, no one said Shazier was a bust only injury prone, and Jones is a bust, and Blake would be a bust had he been even a 4th round pick.

 

Man how in the heck can Jarvis Jones count towards the salary cap for 9 million on a rookie contract? That's crazy.

Jarvis Jones is not a bust buy the definition of the word bust. Has he lived up to his draft status? No.

 

I think the next year is the option of 9M or let him walk. His last year under his rookie deal. Probably will cut a re-sign him I'd guess.

5 sacks in 3 years to me is s bust but everyone has their own opinion on it, Glenn. I just have opinions usually not facts. I've been educated on the difference

 

Yeah, it's a matter of opinion, what a bust is. I've gotten into the debate here many times. To me a bust is something really bad - a high pick who offers little to no value. Brings almost nothing to the team, or nothing close to what they needed. If a guy isn't as successful as you hoped he would be, or flourishes in some ways but not others, I don't think it's fair to call him a bust. But that's the definition for a lot of people. Hell, people were calling Timmons a bust even after his 3rd year.

Some examples of a bust from recent years for me.... Bruce Davis, Curtis Brown. Both guys were taken in the 3rd. Davis never gave us a thing. Total bust. I hated that pick from the minute we made it. I loved the Curtis Brown pick, though. He was good on special teams, but we desperately needed help at CB, and he was never good enough to even see the field. He got repeatedly torched by backups every preseason. Those are busts.

I'd give you an example of a 1st round bust to compare to Jarvis, but I don't think we've had one in Colbert's reign. Ziggy Hood and Rashard Mendenhall are busts to many, but I don't buy it for either. Ziggy was a pretty good player for us, much better than he gets credit for. Mendenhall gave this team a ton and was every bit as good as his draft status, but he's a good example of what happens once fans make up their minds - just about impossible to change.

There're "Steelers busts" like Hood, Mendenhall, and Jarvis, and then there're "rest of the league" busts, like Trent Richardson and AJ Jenkins.

As for Jarvis, I agree he's underperformed as a pass rusher, but I disagree that it's as easy as reading sack stats. I am dying to see a stat about the number of quality rushes - the guy plays 40% of the game, and when he's in, it seems like he's almost always dropping into coverage, or chipping a TE or something on his way to the LT. Seems like he only gets a handful of true rushes at the LT per game, certainly not as many as guys on other teams. He's gotten better every year and the rest of his game is good. I think with full playing time and a good rusher on the other side, he'd be a quality starter. $9M is steep, and he'd have to get a lot better over the summer to deserve that, but I think if we lose him we're just spinning our wheels. I hope we do find a way to sign him long-term, at a reasonable price, so we can put our draft picks/FAs elsewhere.

 

I get what you're saying. I actually like Jarvis' football instincts. I feel like he knows what's going on in the play he just can't get their physically.

Timmons had 4FF and 7 sacks in his third year from ILB. I wasn't on the Timmons bust bandwagon. He sat behind Foote and Farrior 2 accomplished veterans for his first 2 years.

I also don't feel Mendenhall and Ziggy were busts but Ziggy was a big drop off from A Smith and somehow weak in the run game despite being a workout warrior. He was a bad fit for a 2 gap because he struggled to hold his ground.

Jones has very little pass rush ability. Steelers need a great ROLB. IMO it is the most important part of the defense.

Harrison literally dropped on passing downs more than any OLB in the NFL. He still got 10 sacks a year though on average. Same for Woodley. No excuses for Jones there.

If the Steelers can cut Jones and sign him for less that's cool. But they still need to find a legit pass rusher at ROLB.

 

Haha, what are you talking about? "He's not James Harrison" is a fantastic excuse!

In his prime, JH was the greatest edge rusher I've ever seen. (I didn't see a lot of Chiefs games when Derrick Thomas was still alive.) Precisely for that reason, because he'd get 16 sacks despite rushing only 60% as often as the other sack leaders. It's not fair to compare Jarvis to Harrison, just like it's not fair to compare Ziggy to Aaron Smith, one of the best to ever play that position.

Well, you can compare them, but you can't expect them to be as good. I also disagree about Ziggy. I liked his run defense and thought he held his ground well. He was such a timid pass rusher, though. I'm convinced it's because he was trying to do too much, always worrying about running downfield to chase the RB, or jump up and bat a pass. He almost never just went balls-out to the QB, which is what we needed... That said, his timidness made him like the best screen defender of all time. I tried to tell them, do not try to throw a screen to Ziggy's side, because he will already be hanging out right in that spot.

I've been saying for over a year now that they should try Jarvis at LOLB. I keep hearing he wouldn't hold up against the run, but I call BS. He does fine on the left, and frankly I don't think the difference is that big. What I know for sure is the RTs he would face would be slower and less talented than who he sees on the left side. Dupree is the freak athlete who could be a match for those LTs, once he gets some pass rush moves. I thought for sure that was the move when they drafted Bud, sort of a two birds with one stone thing, but I guess not.

 

Yes it does make sense to put Dupree on the right. Not only for potential rushing ability but also because he is explosive and fast enough to tackle the runs away from him in a ZBS.

It is fair to compare Jones to the OLBs before him. Lloyd, Porter and Harrison have all been crucial to the defense from ROLB.

Greene, Gildon and Woodley have terrorized QBs from the left.

The standard set for OLBs is very high. And the standard is the standard.

Sprry guys I was way off base with Jones contract. It's 3 M next year. So he will be here another year at least.