A Specific Question About Burfict and the NFL

Anyone record the game, curious about thoughts on the one play when chickallo and burflict were on the ground..... Sure seems to me burflict tried to punch him, may have missed, but the intent was there. TV only showed it for a second and didn't comment at all. Thinking it was early 4th quarter.

 

After he picked L Jones him and 5 other players ran into the tunnel with the ball, where was the delay of game penalty? I expect this thug to get games suspensions for his pitiful behavior and as bill cowher said his behavior reflects directly on head coach marvin lewis, and their sorry fans behaved like animals just like their players, so getting the win was extra special since it left all of them crying, I just hope Ben and AB can play next week in Denver.....

 

I can see that, and Suh was up there too in the "dirtiest player in the game" over the years, but Burfict just seems so much more unhinged and dangerous. I'm not totally sure while it feels different (and I do try to see without my Steelers glasses, lol), but it felt like Harrison and Suh played hard and made plays as it happened (not always clean) but Burfict literally steps on to the field targeting people for injury. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

 

Don't forget about this

 

I agree and we have some bias (hard not too). The non steelers fans hated JH and called him out for trying to end guys careers. Heck even Hines was dubbed as a dirty player but we see him as a smart and hard nosed tough WR. I am in no way, shape, or fashion condoning Burficts actions but it is interesting how 2 people can watch the same thing and see something totally different. That was clear when LT and Dion were arguing about it after the game. It is just hard to comprehend bungles fans justifying his play.

 

What a punk. Dude needs a beatdown.

 

I think there is enough video footage that proves Burfict actually tries to cause injury in both obvious and subtle ways. It is his pattern.

When is Goodell going to do something about it?

 

Not that I am necessarily disagreeing with your Harrison comparasion but with JH even with other fans hating on him those hits were football plays and at no time did you get the impression that it was premeditated. When you watch this clip you see some devious thought processes going on. Burficut knows the refs aren't looking at his feet but racing in looking to break up scrums. He steps on Foster's foot in an attempt to get him to retaliate and get a penalty and if not he stomped on his foot. Win-win

 

I agree. The guy is out of control and seems to be looking for opportunities to hurt people and generally just trying to get away with stuff. JH seems to play hard and tries to play within he boundaries. There are bungles homers who say the same thing about Burfict that we are saying abut JH and that is the hard part to comprehend. I'm trying to compare the level of angst toward a player outside of the players fanbase. Would we think differently about his shenanigans if he was wearing black and gold? Some of our fans reference Cody Wallace dirty play, but I'm totally OK wih his play as playing hard and part of the game "in the trenches" so to speak. On the edge but OK.

 

Not at all. A few weeks back, I was one of the ones disgusted by Wallace's actions on the play where he blew up an innocent bystander after the whistle blew. If Burfict were in B&G (after throwing up a bit) I'd be calling him out after that putrid display of thuggery last night.

 

I saw that too. He definitely swung at him.

He also came onto the field during, I think the chaos that ensued after the Shazier/Bernard hit. That should have been a PF. His wrestling match when DeCastro had the nerve to pancake him should have netted both he and DD PF's. There should have been a DoG flag when that idiot lead some players into the locker room tunnel after his pick of Landry Jones.

I blamed CBHCML for the chaos from both Burfict and Pacman in the 4th quarter and I still own it, but to get down to brass tacks here, much of what was permitted to go on has to be left at the officials, and by extension, the NFL's feet. I thought this game was going to be called tightly because of the the last regular season meeting between these two teams. If anything, it was worse. There should have been ejections. That's the only sure way to settle a game down.

Some one compared this to the Todd Bertuzzi/ Steve Moore incident in the NHL, and I agree. The NHL seems to have tried to reign in much of the rogue play that has hurt it's image in the past. Despite highly publicized posturing and a few rule changes that appear to benefit certain face of the league QB's more than anyone else from the NFL, last nights game was an epic fail as a featured NFL product, IMHO.

I'm not going to sit here and say that either James Harrison or Joey Porter are choir boys, but to me, and to be fair about it, JH victimized himself with many of the fines and PF's because he was slow to adapt to the changing rules implemented to protect players from concussions, whether we agree with the design, implementation and results of said changes is a whole other can of worms. That, and his comments about Roger Goodell (Penthouse mag.?), although I didn't necessarily disagree with them, put him immediately under the eyes of the officials. Guilt by past actions, same as Matt Cooke. However, I never saw James lose his friggin' mind and cost the Steelers a game because he couldn't control himself. A rebel? Yes. Opinionated? You're damn right, same as Porter, Gregg Lloyd and Jack Lambert before him. A mindless thug who intentionally tries to injure and maim people? No way. He plays hard between the whistles much as Hines did and he doesn't apologize for it. I've read where Steeler fans have said things like; "Yeah, you hate him, but you'd love to have him on our squad". I would want his talent, not the package it comes in.

And let's face it, but some of this celebratory nonsense by Will Gay, AB and some others has gotten out of control, and moving forward, it will cost this team if it is permitted to continue unabated. Yeah, I ain't no kid, but I tend not to try to think like an old phart who would surmise that everyone that scores a touchdown should just toss the ball back to the ref and "act like you been there before". It's a different day and age, and I don't mind seeing someone celebrate their glory quickly and in a tasteful manner. But, when the whole display turns into a full blown, end zone party complete with several teammates, it's too much. I think HCMT is way too lenient with some of this stuff.

 

That wasn't a football tackle. He knee'ed Ben in the shoulder as hard as he could when they were on the ground. It should have been flagged.

 

Let's not talk about those damn glasses. James made some great hits and a couple of garden variety late hits, but none of them were like what Burfict does.

The main reason for Harrison's notoriety is the effect he had - people kept getting hurt. But almost all the hits were clean, even the penalized/fined ones. I can only think of one that was late (Brees) and one that was questionable (McCoy - it was a penalty by the new rules, but a very odd play, the way he faked the run then dumped the ball then ducked). The rest - Massaquoi, Cribbs, FitzPatrick, the Oakland QB, etc., were just good hits.

Burfict time and time again goes out of his way to hurt people whether they have the ball or not, whether a play is happening or not. Twisting ankles, crashing into heads, diving at knees... Not to mention all the regular fighting stuff. Anyone who equates those two is stupid, no matter what their favorite team is.

 

Speaking of Harrison did anyone see when Ben left the field at the end of the game after the interview with the reporter? Tomlin came out to escort Ben to the locker room and there wasn't a lot of people remaining for any type of protection, except Harrison who had waited on the sideline and fell in place with Ben and walked toward the tunnel. It was like he was saying if anyone wants some, come and get some. That is a bad, bad man.

 

I would think the Players Union would be concerned with someone like Burfick. How can you ignore one of your union members trying to purposefully injure another member by illegal activity. What Burfick does could end a player career and by ignoring his method of playing the union seems to be saying "so be it".

 

I'm not sure that really counts as a dirty hit since it was against the Ravens.

 

I happen to agree with your point but not your delivery, as usual. Calling someone stupid for having a different opinion than yours, is a bit immature.

 

Yeah I'm thinking the same thing. With the word coming out that at least one Bengal player was waiting for the time when either Burfict or Jones would ruin a game, I think support for Burfict is waning amongst the players, and that's not good for him. If enough players raise a stink, I could see action coming from the NFL requested by the union. He needs to be on a very short leash.

 

Especially knowing how Ben *always* answers these stupid questions to begin with.

 

First of all, their is no justifying using any Hitler references on this board. That was Low. And should be noted by the administrators.

Burfict has an old school mentality to injure on every play. He is an out of control player who needs to be suspended for a season. Hard hits are part of this violent game but the head hunting has to stop. Questionable players are a large part of the bengals culture under Marvin Lewis. He doesn't coach the Steelers so I could care less about him if he is fired or whatever. This is the reason why this team will never advance to anything.

And if anyone is waiting for that Jellyfish Goodell to do anything major about it don't hold your breath. All this tool is interested in is money and ratings and people talking about the product. Of course Burfict will be suspended, then appeal and win a shorter suspension.

The Steelers are advancing due to the bengals stupidity. I believe in Karma. They got what they deserved...

 

Some people are stupid. It's true. We're not talking about an opinion here, we're talking about facts. No matter what you think about Harrison, the hits and plays in question are just different, for a lot of reasons. I've also never seen Harrison try to break the foot off of a guy already on the ground after the play. I suppose in this instance though, "ignorant" would be a better choice, since one can be intelligent but uninformed, getting their info from the media or stupid friends.