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The Steelers pass rush

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Jan 4, 2016.

  1. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    They finished the season with 48 sacks, their most since 2010 when they also had 48. This is a big improvement over the last few seasons, which is why I wanted Dick LeBeau gone he had no creative blitzes to use when the talent fell off. Butler didn't just rely on the OLBs who underperformed this season, he used the secondary effectively to bring pressure.
     
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  2. SteelerGlenn

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    To be fair to the OLB's on alot of plays they seem to be using them to seal the edge and using the DL to rush the QB.
     
  3. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    To be fair we got like 20% from Browns lol
     
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  4. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    So, you're saying they have a pass rush?
     
  5. Thor

    Thor Mod Team

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    I agree. The tweaking that is once again involving the secondary in blitz packages (the Blitzburgh defense of the mid '90's employed similar schemes) also seemed to deploy the OLB's in different ways. Some of this is natural - someone has to drop back to cover the flank if a DB goes charging in - but the DE's approach seems to be changing into one that aims to get to the QB/backfield rather than just tying up blockers so that a LB can do it. Heyward and Tuitt are talented 3-4 DE's, but I don't know that this is the most effective approach long term. It could be an adjustment made in light of our current OLB situation.
     
  6. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    wait
    sometimes it appeared the entire secondary blitz

    it is nice to get them
    keep it up boys!!!
     
  7. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    lol, it sure didn't appear as if they were in the secondary
     
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  8. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    Sacks are just numbers. Situational sacks such as on 3rd down, or a sack fumble matter. Ones that take them out of fg range too. Steelers get a sack on 2nd down and when it's 3rd and 23 they convert on Blake lol
     
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  9. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    This. I am frustrated with the way the defense lets opposing offenses out of 3rd and long. They have to take offenses off the field once they get 3rd and long if they want the team to be successful in the playoffs.
     
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  10. Lizard72

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    This!

    The way the Steelers talk about physical play is mond boggling when you see that they don't get up and physical with the receivers on those third downs!
     
  11. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    No.
     
  12. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Thank goodness this Defense has Tuitt and Heyward.
     
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  13. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    It was better this year, but still not where it needs to be.
     
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  14. knab70

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    The pass rush has a built in mechanism of 30mins. it only works in the second half.
     
  15. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    You don't think Butler has done a better job than LeBeau did his last few years in Pittsburgh? The stats don't lie, Le Beau ran that same cross dog predictable blitz and produced average results.
     
  16. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don't think Butler was anymore creative then DL, I just think he blitzed the QB more, took more chances.
     
  17. steelers5859

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    Also back in the 90s, we had two OLBs that could rush the passer (Lloyd and Greene) that made it even harder on the Olineman and made it easier for our CBs and S's to get to the quarterback. We can't keep relying on DBs to make sacks. We need at least one legitimate passer rusher from the front 7. And right now we have none.
     
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  18. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Gonna have to disagree with my fellow mods on this one. For the past few years, I could almost always tell who was rushing, and who was dropping into coverage well before the snap. This season, I've been surprised many times, and I think our sack and takeaway numbers reflect that opponents have been as well. We don't just blitz more often, we change up where the pressure is coming from even when we show the same pre snap look. Either that, or I'm getting rusty with my pre snap reads....

    Whatever the case, I have to give Butler props for being able to do something to occasionally cover up deficiencies with our outside pass rushing personnel - something that I don't think DL had done well at all. To take it further, I'm not sure I ever saw DL mount any kind of effective pass rush without the benefit of at least one top tier edge rusher. I will always love and admire DL for what he brought to this team, which goes well beyond pure X's and O's, but I personally believe that he was becoming less creative and rooted in the past where X's and O's were concerned over his final few seasons here.

    Kudos to Butler for the results we've gotten on defense with some very deficient coverage and edge rushing personnel. I'm not always happy with how he calls a game (still too much reliance on soft zone coverages when they're being exploited), but it's been a marked improvement IMO.
     
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  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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  20. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Not really. My no was about the circular reasoning. Since we're doing, 'I was rights', what I said would happen months ago has happened. Butler would largely follow in LeBeau's footsteps, the maturation on defense would lead to better production, and people who made their conclusions about Butler/LeBeau long ago would pat themselves on the back. ;)

    Your premise is that DL just ran the cross dog blitz, and Butler runs creative blitzes and that simply isn't true. What's funny is the meat of Butler's success is the Scar Fire Zone Blitz which is right out of LeBeau's playbook. He's used just about every blitz package out of LeBeau's playbook this season.
     
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  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we got to the qb better but we are giving up a lot of rushing yards at times. give and take i guess. butler has a good ways to go to seal this defense up on the backend and LB play. both of these i talked about in the coaching deficiency thread. i'm not sure our current crop of coaches at these spots is helping butler much. i'd sure be up for a change or addition of a couple of old vets as LB and DB coaches to get us cinched up at these two levels. i think it would really help out like it has with the receiving corp, the o-line and at RB. we are seeing the fruits of their knowledge at these positions.

    oh and a shout out to moats for last week. he had a good day. :cool:
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    TTF, do we have a smiley for patting one's self on the back? I want to strike while the iron is hot :biggrin:
     
  23. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    I like them both, but for discussion sake, who could the Steelers have drafted instead of them that would've better?
     
  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Part of being creative is Butler blitzing different players in the secondary, when was the last time LeBeau did that.
     
  25. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Plenty of times. Are you looking for an exact date?
     

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