Tomlin can take the loss in this one

Welcome to the board, but I disagree here. No. 1 our defense couldn't stop them the whole second half. Tomlinson gut feeling should of been we haven't stopped them most of the day, why do you think they can stop them now.

No.2 I would prefer Ben going for the touchdown near the goal line as a better option than have our secondary cover anybody. Our secondary is that bad.

Tomlin's gut feeling works backwards. His gut feeling in the trick play should of been get the sure points because at that time we were stopping them and we were moving the ball steadily on them. His gut feelings are just out of wack.

 

I have a feeling that during practice Ben can throw the ball all over our lousy secondary and Tomlin,Haley and Ben believe they can do the same against every other defense throughout the league. Throwing the ball 9 times to open the game and then the incredibly stupid fake FG with Jones throwing off his back foot to a covered tackle is completely idiotic. Especially when it's attempted during changing of quarters.

The second that they kicked the FG with 3 minutes and even 2 TO's instead of going for the TD I told the people I was with that it was game over. Tomlin WAS living in his fears at that exact moment. The whole game plan, execution and decision making by the entire coaching staff and the team was a debacle of incredible magnitudes. Chuck Noll had to be rolling in his grave watching such poor tackling along with 59 pass attempts.

 

With six minutes, I don't mind the call because you have more than one chance to get a stop....With three minutes, a running clock (which ran all the way down to 2 before we kicked it), inside the 5 and down a timeout, the call is ludicrous. To be honest, I thought Ben running on 3rd down was because we knew it was 4 down territory. Get to the 4, you can do slants, quick passes, whatever we do when we go for 2, and if you fail.....they have it at their own 4 and will play cautious. I swear I think we call plays based on a magic 8-ball or something sometimes. Man, it says we have to run a flea flicker and we're inside the red zone....oh well.....don't go against the magic 8-ball!

 

I couldn't agree more. While Haley made the call he can trump any xall made by his coordinators. You put field goal personnel on the field to go for a two yard first down, not only but throws the ball to your lt? This team has given 4 games on just idiotic playcalling which has only lost games or gave te momentum when they in control of the game. Haley has to go tomlin too if he can't control his coordinators. That would never happened under cowher.

 

Our receivers are the best core in the league, we've never had thisu much speed at the skilled positions, ben missed Bryant on the 3 nine routes which were easy tds if he's isnt overthrown. This team beat themselves yday pure and simple. We aren't running the ball enough and abandoning it when it we're gashing teams.This issue is coaching. Love the agressiveness but playcalling in key situations has been retarded.

 

I don't really have an opinion on going for it there or not, but I wouldn't beat up on Tomlin if they went for it and didn't get it. A lot of good things can happen when the other team has to protect the ball (be conservative) from their own 2-yard line. I think the benefits of going for it inside the 5 are often overlooked. Even if you don't score, you leave the other team with 98-yards to go and have an increased chance for a safety, bad punt, etc.

 

I can honestly say I wanted him to kick it. Whether I'm right or not I don't know but I'm generally one who favors the points. Although our d is so bad that we probably give up the td anyway. I say if Bell had been playing he would have went for it.

 

You're right about that scoring play, blast. I really wish Bud had just put his arms up on that play. Might've been a different outcome.

 

I was so fuming mad I couldn't post until now. That call to kick a field goal instead of going for the Touchdown had me throwing stuff at the tv.

To me, it was obvious. You go for TD when you only have 3 mins remaining and down by 5. Even if you don't convert, it's still a one possession game, no different than making a field goal. HOWEVER, by kicking a field goal, you have to rely on a succession of events to go your way to win the game. But if you go for TD instead, YOU have control to take the lead right then and there.

It comes down to this: What's harder?
Scoring a TD at 4th and 4 to goal? OR Making the FG, getting a 3 and out from the Defense, moving down the field, and scoring another FG. It's obvious to me, why isn't it the same to captain obvious himself???

 

i don't agree. we didn't need 3. leaving them at the 4 makes him throw out of his EZ and could very well change how they play that. it's all a moot point right now but still a bad decision. he knows very well what kind of defense he has and what kind of O he has. they are 50% in two point conversions, so from that spot on the field, we have a far better chance of scoring and if not we could limit them to having to throw out of the EZ.

 

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/11/tomlins-poor-decisions-play-large-role-in-loss/

i find no fault with anything in this article.

 

Me neither Mac. Wonder why the Big Dan Rooney don't tell him bench Blake and play Boykin or go be a D coo for BA? Haha

 

That logic is not as ridiculous as the fake FG or the 2 point conversion when up by 2 points. But I dont agree with it. We did make the 2 point conversion but that doesn't make it right. That was stupid.

The reason I don't agree...

#1 if the logic to go for a 2 point conversion is sound then why not go for the lead 3 yards from the end zone with 3min on the clock and 2 TOs.?

#2 We attempted a fake FG when making the FG was likely early in the game. Imagine if we had those points! we probably win that game but Tomlin goes for the TD in the 1st quarter! There's no consistency with Tomlin's logic at all. He's not fooling anyone but him self.

#3 Tomlin has opted to go for it on 4th down in previous games... while in FG range and at mid field - with the game on the line. His logic was always that he plays to win the game. Now he chooses to kick a FG with the opportunity to take the lead just a few yards away.... IN high scoring game..down by 5 points. I can understand maybe if our defense was dominating them.



#4 If we score a TD there... we kick it off with around 3 minutes left and a 3 point lead if we get the 2 point conversion. 1 point lead if we fail. SO our defense has to stop them if we kick the FG, score a TD, or hand the ball over to them down by 5. We are in the same situation defensively no matter what we do. Difference is if we score all we need is a defensive stand to win the game. So it makes sense to try and take the lead. The risk / reward is there to go for that TD.

By taking the easy 3 points we still need to stop them and we need to score more points. - Same scenario if we fail on 4th down and hand them the ball inside the 5 yard line. So IMO the risk was the same if we kick a FG or go for it on 4th down and fail. The upside is we actually have the lead with a TD... possibly a 3 point lead with a 2 point conversion. And 2 TO's and a 2 min warning if we need it.

Worst case scenario we fail on 4th down. They have to drive the field. They can't run the clock out because of our 2 TO's and the 2min warning. If they do get into FG range they only take an 8 point lead. That gives us another chance to tie the game if they score a FG... or win the game if we hold them.

 

I've been somewhat of a Tomlin defender because I've never bought into alot of the criticism he receives. Sunday's game has changed my mind 100%. Playing by your "gut" is one thing, but at some point your brain has to take over. For the life of me I can not figure out why he doesn't go for it on 4th and goal from the 3! He goes for a fake field goal out of a timeout when everyone sees Jones on the field. He goes for 2 when up by 2 but doesn't go for it on 4th? He's coaching the game like like he's playing Madden on his couch!

It's times like this that I wish the Steelers weren't an organization that never fires a coach. I hope I'm proven wrong, and I will continue to root for this team and stay positive (unlike so many around here) because I do think this team is good enough, but I don't see this team winning a Super Bowl with Tomlin as coach. Players resemble leadership. Tomlin is clearly lost on the sideline, it a surprise many players play lost on the field?

 

If the shoe fits wear it

 

I got news for ya, the shoe doesn't fit