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Arrians is gone!!! So now who?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mort159, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I thought Randy Fitchner would be the heir, but Bouchette was saying if it wasn't for unfortunate events Tomlin actually promised the job Kirby Wilson would be the new OC???!?

    I'm sorry, god bless him for what he has to go through right now, but what are the credentials does he have to be the new OC as a RB coach???
     
  2. mort159

    mort159 Well-Known Member

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    Under the circumstances i doubt Wilson would get it. I think the Steelers organization had a lot of respect for the work Kirby was doing. Fitchner would be just like having Arrians. Him and Ben are buddies, as a matter of face Fitchner and Arrians are going to the Pro Bowl with Ben. Ben needs a coach not a buddy to take him to the next level.
     
  3. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    I think Hue is your man for that criteria.

    We're SO close on offense, and I think Fichtner would bring the elements that BA was missing while maintaining our past success on offense (yardage machine).
     
  4. edog55

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    No, not Fichtner. He does know Big Ben but, I believe he cannot control Ben and it would be more of the same as with Arians.

    Tom Clements, YES, a big YES. I just believe they need someone from outside the organization to be able to coach, teach, and control Ben. Plus he coach under Cowher for three years as QB coach, so he is familiar with the Steelers. I think Clements is a great candidate. Clements is also considered a cacndate for the Head Coaching job of the Buccaneers, something Arians has never done. His name is never mentioned for a candidate for a head coaching job.

    Hue Jackson, yes. Would be a great choice. He has a lot of coaching experience and could coach, teach and control Ben.

    Jim Caldwell, Yes. He would be a great choice. Lots of coaching experience and worked with Tomlin before under Tony Dungy.

    Todd Haley, yes. He is definitely better then Bruce Arians. He would be good for the run game. He also has some roots in the Burgh.

    Bottom line is that they all would be a very high step up from Arians. My belief is that it will be a surprise candidate who gets the job. Maybe somebody from the college ranks. Someone who is not even on the radar!!!
     
  5. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Edog, Clements would be cool. I just learned that he played TE and coached the OL early in his career, so that really piques my interest. Seems like the OL/TE guys make the best coordinators. I'd be fine with a Clements hire. Don't want Caldwell or Haley, and could handle Jackson. My current order of preference of the names thrown around the most:

    Fichtner - Provides continuity and a slight tweaking to our offense.
    Jackson - Runs an offense very similar to U-Wisconsin, which I love! Closest thing to Paul Chryst without plucking Chryst from U-Pitt.
    Clements - Will bring some fresh ideas and a was a proven game planner in Green Bay. However, McCarthy called the plays, not Clements.
    Caldwell - Familiar with Tomlin and is low-key, which I think is important right now so as not to capsize the ship with our current players.
    Haley - Don't want him at all. I think he rode the Kurt Warner wave to success in AZ and is too polarizing a figure to risk upsetting our chemistry.
     
  6. lersgofor7

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    what about utilizing our Qb and our WRs...which only happen to be our best playmakers....people make me laugh...just because its the steelers they think..fullback...pound the ball...


    HELLO our best weapon is our QB...top 5 in the league...look how long it took for us to get another one and people want the staff to not use him...but maybe we should get a fullback...bc were stuck in the 70s
     
  7. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    As good as our team has been since 2004, you can thank Ben Roethlisberger for our 2 SB rings. He put us in position to get to the big games, and in one of them, was of the direct reasons we won it. While there is certainly room to criticize #7, let's not forget his accomplishments here.
     
  8. shaner82

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    I agree that Ben is a big reason for much of our success, but that other guy made a good point, if you look back to the 2008 season, Ben didn't do much that season. He wasn't the reason for most of our wins and can be blamed for all of our losses. Seriously, that year, our defence was setting records. They were just downright ridiculous. If not for our defence, we don't even make the playoffs, because Ben really wasn't that good. I will say though that he played good in the SB and is a big reason we won, although the defence really helped as well.

    My point in saying all this is that we don't need Ben to either make or break this team like has been the case the last couple years, this year especially. This year, if Ben didn't play well, we lost, period. In the past, if Ben didn't play well, our running game or defence could step up and help us win anyway. This team has become such a one trick pony that too much emphasis is put on the play of a QB that has far too many bad games compared to other top QB's in the league (when was the last time Brady had a bad game?).

    Lets get back to a balanced offensive attack that way if one aspect of the offence lets us down, we can rely on the other aspect of the team to get us the win.
     
  9. troybellringer55

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    I think Randy Feicthner will get the job. Steelers always like to promote within house most of the time.
     
  10. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    IMHO this would be a mistake. Feicthner is BA light and we need someone to come in and take charge of the offense.
     
  11. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    Agreed. However, I hope Fichtner remains on the staff because I do think he is a good coach. But he is just too close to BA. We have to get back to a more balanced attack.
     
  12. mac daddyo

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    Agreed. However, I hope Fichtner remains on the staff because I do think he is a good coach. But he is just too close to BA. We have to get back to a more balanced attack.[/quote:2j8qosxm]
    how are you guys figuring he is to close to BA? how are you basing this? that's total nonsense. :cool:
     
  13. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. However, I hope Fichtner remains on the staff because I do think he is a good coach. But he is just too close to BA. We have to get back to a more balanced attack.[/quote:u63ccwag]
    how are you guys figuring he is to close to BA? how are you basing this? that's total nonsense. :cool:[/quote:u63ccwag]


    I can tell by looking at him! :hehehe:
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i think that is the key word. :cool:
     
  15. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I'm saying though. Wilson has been a RB coach everywhere he has went.... How would he have been a good candidate for the OC position? Yeah, he may have brought back the run game, but this is still a passing league. It just makes me wonder if Tomlin knows what is best for this offense?
     
  16. JackAttack 5958

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    Agree 100%. I don't think Wilson would have been a good candidate either. I wish him a speedy recovery and hope he can come back next year as our RBs coach, but not at the OC.
     
  17. JackAttack 5958

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  18. Myronwemissyinz

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    Hummmm :hmmm: With the signing of Troy Smith I could see CB as a QB coach. Perhaps to be groomed as a OC in a few seasons.
     
  19. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Man Clements' track record with QB's his entire career his hard to deny...
     
  20. mort159

    mort159 Well-Known Member

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    Now to clarify on my comments earlier about Ben...

    Ben is a solid qb at times and its very tough but..

    Ben is selfish, Ben doesn't care about the city of Pittsburgh or wiining championships for the steelers. He would rather his own recognition and stats... Proof?

    -Did you read the article in sports illustrated a couple years back, "The Hangover"? That speaks for itself the type of person he really is.

    It is clear sometimes that Ben is more focused on how hurt he is than winning the game. Ben has insisted on playing many time when he was clearly not capable of preforming well. A lot of my other points below show his selfishness too.


    Why did he make the comment before the broncos game about not changing o-coordinators even if we lose?
    -odd time to make those comments Ben is so incredibly loyal to those around. Is that REALLY a bad thing?

    -Who else is he loyal to besides Arrians and Fitchner? He is loyal to Arrians because Arrians lets him do whatever he wants. He didn't get a long with Wisenhunt at all. He doesn't get along good with Hines. Regardless, the day before the game to make comments like that is not professional and selfish. Go win the game and not worry about it.

    Why did Harrison make the comments about Ben that he did?
    -Does anyone think James is about money or stats. James is a tough player who wants to win. I'll agree here.

    Ben was along for the ride in 2005.
    -Ben was average at best and a game manager in 2004 and 2005, especially in the SB. Complete garbage. Of the best rookie seasons EVER by a QB. Also, who won the Colts & Broncos playoff games? Was Ben 'along for the ride' in these games?

    -2004 and 2005 is a great example of my point. Ben was managed those years. He didn't put huge stats up and his success came from him being more of a game manager and being efficient. We ran the ball, had a great play action passing game, used gadget plays, and did a great job of keeping teams off balance. For instance, you referred to the colts playoff game. Ben was 14-24 for 197 and 2 TD's. A pretty effiecient game but not a great game by any means. We didn't need that though. Would Ben have had the success he had if he was drafted by an average team? Probably not.

    Ben was the reason for every loss in 2008 the SB year.
    -It was documented that the defense told him just not to turn the ball over. He played terrible vs the colts, eagles, and giants. I doubt its that outrageous to think every time a team loses the QB probably didn't play his best game. All I know is he put together one of the best drives EVER to win that SB.

    -The last drive was great, but without our defense being so good we would not have been there. Holmes also made a great catch and was uncoverable on that drive. Thats the reason he got the MVP ovr Ben.

    Ben was the reason we lost the SB last year.
    -2 picks and losing the turn over battle by 3 but to lose the game by less that a td . How do you defend a team that has an unreal offense, you keep that offense off the field not try to outduel the QB who is the best in the game right now. While it wasn't Ben's best game, the loss was far from his fault. I think the Mendenhall fumble was the biggest reason we lost that game.

    -The Mendenhall fumble came at a more crucial point in the game, but the 2 picks he threw, (especially the pick 6) put us into catch up mode, thus leaving our defense on the field too long. Remember both of his picks turned into 14 points for the Pack. The way we would have won that game was by running the ball and controling the clock. This was a game that stands out in my mind as a selfish game. I believe that BA and Ben wanted a shootout and Ben wanted that MVP. Just my opinion.

    Ben needs to learn how to be a professional in this league and not rely on just extending the play. Its time a coach takes control and he listens or sits. No if, ands, or buts about it. I do agree here.

    Our offensive line hasn''r been the best, but with him running around all day it makes it tough for anyone to block for him. Our run game was great against Denver in the playoffs but we abandoned it and ended up in a shoot out. Yes we should have run more. I won't fault Ben for extending plays when needed. We've had great success when he does this. However, I do agree we need a temp offense with quicker releases. Our O-line needs an infusion of talent to allow this.

    -Our oline can definately use an upgrade, but lets be real when he holds on to the ball play after play, he is going to get sacked. No one can block that long.

    Steeler back up qbs are 4-1 in the last 2 seasons, so its not all Ben. Our backups may be good enough to get us a win over a bad team but none of them have 1/4 the talent Ben does.

    -Yes, none of are back ups are as talented as Ben, but we have a good team and if they go in and do what they are suppose to we are capable of beating good teams. Dennis Dixon led us to a win vs the falcons last year and they were the top seed in the NFC.


    Here is my point... Ben needs a coach, not a buddy. He needs to learn how to prepare and take what is given to him. We have a ton of talent at WR/TE and we will have mismatches often, so we need to exploit them. Sure he is good at extending the play, but you can't extend every play and play street ball all the time. If he can mature as a QB and use his ability to extend the play only when it is a must, it will help us out tremendously. We need to not be so predictable in our run game and develop a better play action passing game. Ben needs to play within himself and be more effecient. Sometimes he is all over the place. If he can do that and not have to always be the one who makes the play on his own, we could have something great and we will be contending for super bowls for years to come. If not, we will continue to be an average offense.
     
  21. SteelerFanInKC

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    ProFootballWeekly has a story posted that Clements will be promoted to OC of the Packers since Philbin left to become head coach of the Dolphins.
     
  22. mort159

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    Yea, i figured he would be offered that. With everything they have as an offens it would be hard for him to leave.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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    A lot of our fans underestimate Ben. He did a pretty good impersonation of Brady during the NE game. Give Ben time in the pocket and he will light you up.
     
  24. KnoxVegasSteel

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    Jim Tressel could be an interesting candidate. Although it looks like Indy is really interested in him for HC.
     
  25. shaner82

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    I agree that he can do that, but he just hasn't been able to on a game to game basis. He still has too many bad games considering he's sometimes compared to the top QB's in the league. That's why we need a balanced offence that can run the ball when Ben is having a bad game, which happens at least a couple times per season. Ben's bad games are also absolutely atrocious, like we saw against Baltimore in week 1, whereas when Brady has a bad game he still seems to get 300 yards and 2 TD's. I don't want our offence revolving entirely around Ben, I want a balanced attack. I want to be able to win the game by throwing or rushing. NE doesn't run the ball a lot, but when they do, they run pretty well. When they beat the Jets this year, they built up a bit of a lead than absolutely ran all over them to finish the game out. They ran something like 75% of the plays in the 4th quarter. I miss the days when we could do that.
     

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