Start the NOT TO RESIGN BA thread: State your reasons

I am staring the NOT TO RESIGN BA THREAD. Yes I said it, please do not resign him for another year. We need to go in another direction. Yes I said it, don't bring him back.

My reasons:
He has no control over Rothlisberger
He wants to sling the ball all over the yard
He is not committed to the running game
He has no clue on how to develop a running game
He never get mentioned for other jobs or head coaching positions but, I wish he would so that we would be rid of him
His game planning is hopeless
His red zone efficentcy is terrible
His play calling is horrible, especially his situational play calling
His improper use of screens to the running backs is unexceptable
His pass patterns are useless
He removed the Full Backs from the offense
And much more.
I know a High School OC who is better then him

 

One question. What makes you an authority on hiring and firing coaches in the NFL? Put together your resume (use spell check) and send it to the Steelers for consideration. I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

 

Check this out NM: Yet as a fan and human being with critical thinking skills, I still have the right to question specific moves that are made by the franchise for better or worse.

And this is most important, I don't care what you think or say, my opinion will never change about BRUCE ARIANS!!

 

Yes Sir, you do have the right to question anything you would like. Doesn't mean you are right. And opinions are like that certain part of anatomy that everyone has, and some stink worse than others. You are so adamant about firing BA you started a thread on it so you must care about what people think.

 

Arians have had 5 years to get this offense above average. I didn't like the hire when he came from the Browns and never like it regardless of what he achieved. We got 4000 yd qb...two 1000 yard receivers...an about average TE and a 1000 yd running back and all we can average is 21 points a game over a 5 year span.

His relationship with Ben is more of a friendship than a coach. When you can't tell your player that you are not going in this game or no I'm not leaving in this game...it's time for a change. After awhile your teaching techniques fall on death ears.

I mentioned this in another thread....With all his statistical success...AFC championships...superbowls....with six head coaching vacancies...WHY HAVEN'T HIS NAME MENTIONED FOR A JOB? Just mentioned. Even the scrappy job that Josh McDaniels did in denver, His name was mentioned for another coordinator job. Romeo Crennal got a job and he definitely doesn't have the "resume" Arians has.

 

Yes Sir, you do have the right to question anything you would like. Doesn't mean you are right. And opinions are like that certain part of anatomy that everyone has, and some stink worse than others. You are so adamant about firing BA you started a thread on it so you must care about what people think.[/quote:12wivqrs]

How can you honestly justify keeping Arians? Seriously??? The SB argument has already been shot to pieces and we played garbage teams this year to get to 12-4... so besides those 2 overused arguments what on earth has this guy done to justify staying?

BTW I don't think Lebeau should have a free pass either, but Arians incompetence has hurt this team much more than anything mishaps on Lebeau's part.

 

Someone needs to start on Lebeau next. He's been living on past achievements long enough.

 

How can you honestly justify keeping Arians? Seriously??? The SB argument has already been shot to pieces and we played garbage teams this year to get to 12-4... so besides those 2 overused arguments what on earth has this guy done to justify staying?

BTW I don't think Lebeau should have a free pass either, but Arians incompetence has hurt this team much more than anything mishaps on Lebeau's part.[/quote:2hgdxe88]

Like I have said before, and I will say again. If you can do it better, THEN DO IT!!!!! Put together you resume and hand it in.

 

Is Arians' contract up for renewal? If not, then what's the point? I don't much care for Arians either but all I can do is trust the Rooney's to put a quality team on the field. You know, one that makes the playoffs most years, wins 2 out of 3 superbowls in a decade.
It matters not whether we, as fans, like the O.C. Just look at what happened here in San Diego.
I think I hear Madden '13 calling some of you guys.

 

How can you honestly justify keeping Arians? Seriously??? The SB argument has already been shot to pieces and we played garbage teams this year to get to 12-4... so besides those 2 overused arguments what on earth has this guy done to justify staying?

BTW I don't think Lebeau should have a free pass either, but Arians incompetence has hurt this team much more than anything mishaps on Lebeau's part.[/quote:1poi0byc]

Like I have said before, and I will say again. If you can do it better, THEN DO IT!!!!! Put together you resume and hand it in.[/quote:1poi0byc]

If that's the best justification you can present than I really can't even rationalize having this debate with you...

 

How can you honestly justify keeping Arians? Seriously??? The SB argument has already been shot to pieces and we played garbage teams this year to get to 12-4... so besides those 2 overused arguments what on earth has this guy done to justify staying?

BTW I don't think Lebeau should have a free pass either, but Arians incompetence has hurt this team much more than anything mishaps on Lebeau's part.[/quote:z17zbphu]

Like I have said before, and I will say again. If you can do it better, THEN DO IT!!!!! Put together you resume and hand it in.[/quote:z17zbphu]
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Who on here is saying we can do it better? We're saying there are OC'ers out there who would absolutely do it better, and many of us have listed names

 

Like I have said before, and I will say again. If you can do it better, THEN DO IT!!!!! Put together you resume and hand it in.[/quote:oz7z00w1]

If that's the best justification you can present than I really can't even rationalize having this debate with you...[/quote:oz7z00w1]


My justification is that I trust in the Rooneys to do the right thing. The Steelers have more hardware (in the SB era) than any other team. I love this team and always will. I just hate it when we have a bad loss (the debacle in denver) and everyone comes unglued. We are fans, pasionate fans, not players, coaches, or decision makers for the Steelers. We just have to trust in the family that has put us on top for so many seasons. Be bad, upset, etc, etc,. But be glad we are not Cleveland fans.

 

redzone stall
poor playbook
not adjiustament
ben not growing
offense imploding
no running game
no short route
everybody knows what we are doing before the snap
no screens
too much bubble screens
no fullback
not using t-ends
poor clock management
-------- and on a on

 

Realistically, there is no evidence or justification for re-signing Arians that you will accept. You are just looking for an argument.

To many people, the respected organization, winning records and making the playoffs most years is enough.

 

Like I have said before, and I will say again. If you can do it better, THEN DO IT!!!!! Put together you resume and hand it in.[/quote:3fege0al]

If that's the best justification you can present than I really can't even rationalize having this debate with you...[/quote:3fege0al]


My justification is that I trust in the Rooneys to do the right thing. The Steelers have more hardware (in the SB era) than any other team. I love this team and always will. I just hate it when we have a bad loss (the debacle in denver) and everyone comes unglued. We are fans, pasionate fans, not players, coaches, or decision makers for the Steelers. We just have to trust in the family that has put us on top for so many seasons. Be bad, upset, etc, etc,. But be glad we are not Cleveland fans.[/quote:3fege0al]

I trust the Rooney's to put a competitive team on the field most years, but I want more than that. When I see ways to improve the offence (which has been bad for 5 years now) and it isn't being done, that's frustrating. I don't care if we're 16-0, if there are ways to improve the team, it should be done. BA has held this offence back for 5 years, and I've been calling for him to be fired for 3 years now. This loss to Denver has nothing to do with most people wanting BA gone. Besides, I would assume it's Tomlin's decision to either keep or get rid of BA, not the Rooney's, and I have little trust in Tomlin these days.

 

AMEN.

 

Like I have said before, and I will say again. If you can do it better, THEN DO IT!!!!! Put together you resume and hand it in.[/quote:31hm8y0w]

If that's the best justification you can present than I really can't even rationalize having this debate with you...[/quote:31hm8y0w]


My justification is that I trust in the Rooneys to do the right thing. The Steelers have more hardware (in the SB era) than any other team. I love this team and always will. I just hate it when we have a bad loss (the debacle in denver) and everyone comes unglued. We are fans, pasionate fans, not players, coaches, or decision makers for the Steelers. We just have to trust in the family that has put us on top for so many seasons. Be bad, upset, etc, etc,. But be glad we are not Cleveland fans.[/quote:31hm8y0w]

I trust them but I don't have to like it. Regardless of what they do, I will be here rooting for them with every fiber in my body. We are passionate fans and it is nothing wrong with us having our opinions on what they do. People will argue with every decision they make if they keep Arians or not.

I don't like Arians as a coach and what he brings, but I'll be here every sunday rooting for him and everyone that is part of the steelers organization. I didn't like when they let Woodson go, or Santonio Holmes, Gregg Lloyd, Joey Porter, Clark Haggans and all the others they released. But again, I've been a fan since 1975, and all of us will be here cheering our team on regardless of the decisions they make.

 

But the organization was respected long before BA came around, that has nothing to do with him. For 5 years, we have had a below average offense, so the winning records and playoffs have had more to do with the defence than BA. Hell, in 2008, we don't win the SB if not for our defence, because we had a terrible offence. In 2009 we had a pretty good offence but our defence struggled, and look what happened, we missed the playoffs. We have won despite BA, not because of him.

 

so far there are been 2 arguments for BA and a ton agaisnt him. Please don't take this as an attack but
1. We have been to 2 super bowls with him IS NOT a valid argument. I can say that about anyone on the team, example: William Gay should be signed for the next 10 years because he has been to 2 super bowls with us
2. Stating we have competitive and had a 12-4 record is not a specific enough argument. Again I could make that case for anyone on the team. Kemo was a beast this year, he helped us get to 12-4. The water boy really passed out that gatorade well, helped us get to 12-4.

I believe what the OP, and myself are looking for is a list of arguments that are specific reasons as to why BA should keep his job. Please don't take this an attack against you or the Steeler organization. We have a different way of thinking then other fans on this board and are asking you to please translate what you see into words we can understand. We like to see specific examples and instances and not broad generalizations.

I love the Steelers and as I have said before, if Arians really is coming back I don't know if I can watch the games this season. I have had enough of it. I would love to be able to go into the next season with a different perspective on Arians if he does return, however I won't be able to do that until there are some points made here that can justify his tenure here.

As far as putting in a resume for the job, lets be realistic here. As with almost any job it helps to know people to get your foot in the door. If I could get an interview as the OC, I would damn sure give them my best interview. Also football X's and O's isn't rocket science. Most of these guys don't graduate with engineering degrees and aren't going to fly you to the moon. NFL plays are just patterns and aren't very complicated. To imply that fans cant figure out what is going on the field in terms of playing calling is either doing the following.

Under estimating the intelligence of some fans
or
over complicating the NFL and football in general into some mystic science or voodo.

Just to clarify I am not a "football expert", however I can see that the Steelers are lacking in efficiency in their offense and has vast room for improvement

 

Nicely put, well reasoned and I agree with it.

 

I say keep him because I love the bubble screen.

 

:bs:

 

Why not?

Because the offense moves the ball very well between the 20s. It has trouble scoring in the RZ and this needs to be addressed.

Its thought that what hampers it from being more efficient in the RZ is the lack of a running game. Why is that? Could it be the injuries? Possibly. Im sure this has something to do with it. But why then did they score 3 rushing TDs against the Rams from inside the RZ when Charlie Batch played?

Which brings me to my next point. Everyone piles on BA for his play calling and scrapping of the running game. They claim that he fails to call a game that takes advantage of his opponents weaknesses. These are three more reasons why they want him gone. But again, what about the Rams game? They are the 31st ranked defense against the run and what did Arians do? Only 22 passing plays out of 50 total. And they averaged over 6 ypc that game. More than 1 ypc than the Rams average given up.

Who was the quarterback again? Oh yeah, Charlie Batch.

The point is that most of the things that BA draw criticisms for go away when Charlie Batch is under center. All of the sudden, he calls a good game plan and they run ball effectively. And they score 27 points. Does he somehow morph into a different OC when Ben is the QB? Or is it Ben? Is he changing the plays being called at the line? Or in the huddle? Arians gets the blame for "wanting to sling the ball all over the yard", but where the ball is thrown is not up to him. Thats on Ben. Arians doesn't seem to want to "sling the ball all over the yard" when Chuck Batch is under center. What I see is a lot of Ben looking deep while ignoring the underneath guys. Why is Ben escaping criticism here?

Also, the RZ wasn't the only problem for the Steelers this year. What was their turnover diff again? I know the D didn't get what it usually does and that has nothing to do with the offense. But they did turn it over a ton this year. How many picks for Ben again? How many times did he fumble? Fact is he was careless with the ball this year.

And what about all of the inopportune penalties. How many holds did Kemo get this year? What was it, like 3 in the 2nd half alone of the 49ers game?

In a nutshell, there is PLENTY of blame to go around as to why this team didn't score many points. Sure the play calling can be a head scratcher at times (the WR bubble screens drive me nuts too). But also player execution left little to be desired. Ben didn't protect the ball well. The line stinks and doesn't protect Ben well. The line was in a constant state of flux due to injury. And so on and so on.

Also, the facts are that as abysmal as this offense is at scoring under Arians, it only averages .3 ppg less than it did under Wisenhunt as OC. And please spare me the links from ESPN dot com showing offensive scoring. They don't factor out points from the defense and special teams. If you go back and subtract those out and find out how many points the offense truly puts up, you will find that the .3 ppg stat is true.

And please lets not blame Arians for not addressing the O line as far as the draft and coaching. Thats weak. Plain and simple, he's not responsible for either. Although he may have opinions and input, those responsibilities ultimately fall to Colbert and Kugler respectively. About the only thing coaching wise that concerns me with Arians is his buddy/buddy relationship with Ben. Bozo the Columnist (Smizik) was right about that. Ben needs a coach, not a best friend.

Can the offense get better? Absolutely. Do I want to see it get better? Absolutely. But at this point I don't think it needs the complete over haul that an new OC would bring. They need to get better at finishing drives. Period. And this can be accomplished by A) improving the O line in both quality and depth, B) reducing mistakes, and C) better execution by the players including Ben. Also a little luck in regard to injuries on the O line would be nice too.

Lets fix A, B, and C first before we ax Arians.

That is all.

Now fire away... I will not respond.

 

Ok. How about a compromise? We fire the bubble screen. We fire the empty backfields on 1st, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH. We fire the constant home run attempts to Mike Wallace while Heath is wide open. We fire the lack of red zone plays. We fire the "run" plays where Mendy dances and then loses yards while Redman stands on the sidelines knowing he could pound it up the middle like Jerome Bettis. We fire ALL OF THAT and keep BA. Otherwise YES LET BA WALK AND TAKE ALL OF HIS ABOVE MENTIONED TRADEMARKS WITH HIM!!!