We got out-coached!

IMHO....the Steelers got out-coached on both sides of the ball and made ZERO adjustments during the game. Forget injuries or playing on the road, player execution or whatever....we got out-coached!

 

Agreed. Especially defensively. I don't even blame Ike Taylor. I put these squarely on Lebeau. Because it was the wrong scheme and I will scream that to the mountain top. There is no QB in the league that could not complete those passes that Tebow threw. There is not a college QB that could not complete those passes. Especially given the time he had to throw them. You force QBs to make mistakes by adding pressing to their decision making.

 

A lot of what I have been hearing on ESPN and other shows is why not throw an all out blitz on Tebow a few times and make him make a quick decision? Unbelievable! I love LeBeau, but that man MUST be able to adjust in game or crap like this will happen again and again.

Why do people (ESPN, NFL Pundits) all basically think that Belicheat is a genious?????? Because aside from his basic coaching abilities, he makes in-game adjustments either during a quarter or at halftime!

 

It has been a trend for the past 3 years. This coaching staff has been outcoached in all of their losses this season and several of their wins too. The reason they win is due to heroic individual efforts from the players and inferior players on the other side of the ball. The only game where MT and company clearly outcoached their competition was against the patsies this year. And I would not bet on that hapenning twice against Bellicheat in the same season.

 

And I believe they only reason we got that victory is because they were coming off a bye and there timing was off.

 

Well you can't forget those things cause had they not happened it might have trumped the poor coaching but I agree the coaching was also poor. Sometimes I think Lebeau gets lost in his own reputation.

 

We did not get out coached, we got outplayed. We mostly had back-up players in the game.. We had a record of 12-4 going into that game. You don't get a record like that being out coached. You guys just need to calm down and realize we can't win the superbowl every year. Injuries killed us. Not coaching. If you can do it better, put together your resume and send it to the Rooneys, i'm sure they will take you seriously. Because you all know better.

 

That's a valid point but if you are short handed, you should be playing a more conservative approach. I got my starting defensive line out of the game, My best passer rusher is on one leg, Harrison still worried about getting fine and you leave your corners on an island. Makes absolutely no sense.

I love Taylor and Gay for what they done this season, but at no time do I trust them enough to play man on man with anyone. Especially with no pass rush.

 

Sometimes we do get out-coached (this past game is an example) but so did Noll and Cowher and every other coaching staff in the NFL. It happens and if we replace all of the coaches it will happen again. I would love to be a fly on the wall though to know if Arians calls all those bubble screen types of plays or does Ben audible to them.

 

we lost to all good teams eccept ne ,we barely beat kc jax and indy browns x2 .our 12-4 is for a poor schedule

 

Sorry to disagree NM but yes we were outcoached AND outplayed. Based on the defense being called the entire game Lebeau bet the farm that Tebow wouldn't be able to beat us with his arm and Lebeau lost that bet throughout the game and ultimately on Denver's 1st play in overtime. I've got realistic expectations. I don't expect us in the SB every year cause well ..... chit happens. That doesn't mean we can't state our opinions in regards to what we think went wrong in a game or what we see as areas for improvement, etc. I mean that's what the board is here for right

 

LOL! Now that would be interesting to know. Of course the assumption is it's all Arians but we might be surprised

 

is the same if is arians fire him if is ben take a cord that say to ben to don't call them if he keep do it bench him

 

We got badly outcoached, and a ton of analysts have stated so. I listen to the NFL channel on Sirius radio a lot, and those guys all basically said Dick Lebeau had one of his worst coached games in a very long time. They said our players were very confused all game long and seemed to not be prepared at all for the type of offence Denver was running. They specifically stated numerous times that Tomlin and Lebeau should have prepared the players better, as they looked lost out there at times. The calling by Lebeau was atrocious as well.

We seem to get outcoached far too often these days.

 

I referred to us getting out-coached in the game against the Broncos, not necessarily during the year to chalk up a 12-4 record. You are in a definite minority if you think that the Steelers didn't get out-coached. My gosh, 11 guys in the box, five yards off the line of scrimmage on first down 80 yards away from a touchdown when Denver has shown pass on first down on 70% of Tebow's pass attempts? Nah, we didn't get outcoached, the players were right where LeBeau wanted them, right?

Just about every analyst on NFL Sirius Radio, ESPN radio have all stated that John Fox out-coached and had a better gameplan tham Tomlin and that Denver's OC simply out-coached and out-gameplanned LeBeau. Sorry, I will defer the majority on this one. No offense to you, personally!

 

Very bad game plan by DL, pains me to say that because he's a favorite of mine but he really blew it and never changed it up when it was clear that it wasn't working.[/quote:1csentdf]

That's the thing, I can understand overplaying the run at first, but when it was clear that Tebow was killing us with his arm, perhaps DL should have changed things up a bit.

 

I believe we mostly got outplayed. There had to be some adjustments on defense during halftime or maybe we played better? Because Denver only had 140 yards or so and 3 points in the entire second half. And because of this we were able to tie it. Where we got outcoached was on the OT play. On first downs, Denver ran the ball 23 of the previous 24 times and LeBeau had to have known this and obviously gameplaned the first down play for a run. Denver's offensive coordinator called a great play at the perfect time, Thomas burnt Taylor and Tebow through a great ball. Their is tape somewhere of Thomas saying that they discussed the play after they won the coin toss and thought the Steelers would go all out for the run. Thomas says that when he saw Mundy move up he knew all he had to do was beat Taylor and he would be home free, he did....game over.

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That's the thing, I can understand overplaying the run at first, but when it was clear that Tebow was killing us with his arm, perhaps DL should have changed things up a bit.[/quote:3f6gr1qq]

 

That's the thing, I can understand overplaying the run at first, but when it was clear that Tebow was killing us with his arm, perhaps DL should have changed things up a bit.[/quote:1i0yru8g][/quote:1i0yru8g]

 

I just don't see how we were outcoached during the 4 quarters. OT yes he got outcoached by assuming they would run on first down as they had 23 of 24 times before. Their O coordinator called the perfect play against our D. But for most of the game I think the gameplan was fine.

1st Quarter - 10 total yards 0 points. After this 1st quarter should there have been an adjustment made? No I didn't think so
2nd Quarter - This is where we got killed and I don't believe it was the defensive gameplan, I think it was more about execution by the players/injuries. Taylor had a very bad day combined with zero pass rush (no Kiesel, No Hampton) equals approximately 200 yards and 20 points
3rd/4th Quarter - 140 yards and 3 points. They must have made some adjustments because they were able over the entire half to keep them to only 3 points and 140 yards allowing our offense to tie the game.

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I would love to get the the true thoughts of bill cowher, other NFL coaches and reputable sports analysts on what they think of our coaching and play calling.

 

I actually think what happened is the Steelers got beat in every phase of the game, but not all at the same time. Basically, the team appeared to be out of sync:

1) Defense makes stops in beginning but Offense can't make more than an FG on two drives - Failure, Offense
2) Then Ike and Gay get absolutely roasted, Defense loses Keisel and Hampton, little-to-no backfield penetration - Failure, Defense
Then... In the 2nd half it's pretty much all Steelers, as the comeback mounts, and the score is tied at the end of the 4th quarter, until...
3) Final drive, all Steelers need to do is get into FG range... Suisham is ready to go... the approach to, and play after, reaching the Bronco's 45 yd line and all hades breaks loose...
3a) Having timeouts and past the 50 yd line, couldn't control the clock - Failure Coaching
3b) Broncos rush three... count'em THREE friggin' defensive lineman and force a strip-sack (WTF?) - Failure Offense
4) OT, "Broncos have 80 yards to go, we've controlled the passing game in 2nd half, and Taylor's not playing well on an island, today, but let's sell out to the run" - Failure, Coaching and Defense

The Steelers lacked symmetry. It's a team sport for a reason, and each phase of the game must draw energy from the last, and feed energy into the next. There are times in which one phase must carry a larger load, but they must all come together, at some point. The Steelers only managed to do that for about 2 quarters. Unfortunately, NFL Football is played in 4 quarters. And this game ran into a 5th quarter... for about 20-30 seconds... However, had the Steelers played 60 minutes of complete football, then they would have blown the Broncos out in regulation.

 

This is were Lebeau should of never played that zero/inverted/ zone he was playing and leaving Taylor man on man with Thomas. This is where we got outcoached.

 

YES WE DID, IN ALL FACETS OF THE GAME! Thanks Dick Lebeau, Mike Tomlin,BRUCE ARIENS

Coach T please fire these two.

 

The best overall analysis I've seen on here so far describing the debacle in Denver