Tomlin Exposed

I hear ya. I get as pissed off as the next guy when my Steelers lose. Then I sober up and get over it

 

How are you so sure that Arians is calling bombs away?

Anyone ever consider that its the QB who actually throws the ball?

Arians has no control over to whom Ben throws.

 

Woodley's injury as well was clearly limiting him ever since he came back too early and was talking himself on twitter.

Why is it so hard to do the sensible thing and rest your players for meaningless games against creampuff opponents? once that little x goes next to our name in the standings your main priority is the playoffs!

 

Cowher 15 seasons - 2 Super Bowl appearances...1 win

Tomlin 5 seasons - 2 Super Bowl appearances....1 win

Wow, yep, let's fire the coach!

This year was tough. We didn't stay healthy and we lacked some direction. We did the same thing in 2007. Tomlin now needs to circle the wagons, determine what the team needs to do in order to get better and do what we did in 2008...win a Super Bowl.

 

so fire arians and hire a coach with power and balls to control ben , or we should go on like this ?

 

Come on - he's no Ben Roethlisberger!!

 

On that note... anyone want to take odds on who from the Steelers organization makes the police blotter first in this off-season? I sure hope it isn't BR. The odds have to be high for JH.

 

Controlling players doesn't work in today's NFL. There can be a happy medium reached. Never understood why fans want coaches to control grown men????? What if no one can control the way Ben plays the game?

 

I have a feeling that one more incident could send Debo packing.

 

Thankfully that is not the case. After the Penn State mess, we don't need any more of that kind of thing any time in the foresable future!

 

It really isn't a regular occurence with the Steelers like it is with some teams. Was there anyone from last off-season who got into trouble? I don't remember any. BR and Santonio were the first two in quite awhile that I can remember.

 

HW got a DUI.

I wouldn't bet on BR though, he's married now and hopefully that translates into keeping his nose clean...at least for a while.

 

Time to move on and start thinking about next year. It's only a game, right? (Gee, now I'M starting to sound like my mom!)

 

I can't speak for the OP as far as what he meant by after 5 years it's time to improve, however you are taking it as improve on the end result. I think what he is getting at is improvement in key areas such as the ones he addressed. In 5 years there really hasn't been an effort made to coach Ben. I don't care what excuse you want to make, he is the franchise QB, he is being paid 109 mil, He won two SB, it is all BS. Every player in the game has bad habits and part of the job of being a coach is to identify them and help to correct them. The "I only know one way to play coach" stuff is your player not listening to you and doing what he wants. Sure it can win games but it doesn't help him improve. The run game and offensive line, again some improvement, I use some lightly but hiding behind injuries and the mantra of the standard being the standard doesn't improve how players approach and play the game. You wanna see what a smart Ol is as compared to what they are trying to teach the current Steelers OLine? Watch the Colts line with Manning at QB, He calls the plays at the line, no huddle, no nothing so they have to know their playbook by memory and know who they are responsible for and work as a unit. The Steelers Oline routinely lets a blitzing LB go right past them because they assume that he will be picked up by the RB however the RB usually has moved over to help one of the tackles. That is not improvement. David Johnson has been on this team for the length of Tomlin's tenure and he still can not block correctly and makes mental errors in the passing game. Not improving. They have made great strides in correcting some of the glaring problems ie special teams, DB play and so on but they are missing other areas, important ones. That is the improvement i want to see. I don't expect perfection or SB every year but I would like to see glimmers of the guy who walked up to John Lynch and told him he could help him play better and then showed him how and actually had him play better.

 

We're all Steeler Nation here, but seriously guys.

We can't win the title every single year, nor did we. Remember Cowher? How many years did he coach, and how many titles did he have? He was an outstanding coach. So is Tomlin. Everyone loses at times. Everyone gets embarassed at times.

Is it Tomlin's fault that we got decimated by injuries this year?
Is it Tomlin's fault our WR couldn't catch a cold in Denver?
Is it Tomlin's fault we got nothing from the officials?
Is it Tomlin's fault Ike Taylor played the worst game of his career?

All of this, and we still came back and took it to Overtime. Damn straight this team has heart. Take away the injuries and we are going back to the Superbowl right now, instead of going home.

Despite our flaws.

 

1. I'm not sure he has "failed" to improve the team. Remember, Kevin Colbert plays a role in this, too. He's the GM. I do think that the Tomlin-Colbert pairing has completely ignored the o-line in ways that Cowher-Donahoe and Cowher-Colbert didn't.

2. Isn't #2 still dealing with #1?

3. I somewhat agree. It's Mike's responsibility (and LeBeau's) to get him to adjust his play. Didn't happen.

4. I didn't notice this.

5. Did Cowher or Noll ever do this? Tom Donahoe came out and publicly criticized Cowher after the 1996 playoff loss to the Pats and Donahoe was soon escorted out the door.

6. I never really saw this until this season. Was it blindness? Naivete? I don't know. But I think you're right. But a lot of this responsibility rests wth Arians. Ben needed better coaching. Period. He didn't get it. Now, we have a QB who wants to complete 20- 30-yards passes, even on a 3rd and 2.

7. Agreed. And I think it was more than just twice.

 

Bottom line: the offensive line play with Cowher was almost ALWAYS first-rate. The offensive line play under Tomlin has always been bush league, at best.

 

I agree with every single word and I've said so for weeks now. Form Tomlin's decisions here, I question his sanity. Truly.

 

Cowher didn't have the play makers Tomlin has. In fact, it isn't even close! We're loaded on both sides of the ball and way under-perform. That's a coaching deficiency.

 

I've said it in other threads - the more things change, the more they stay the same. We heard the same "FIRE THE COACH!" call from a small number of fans under Noll and Cowher. Tomlin is going nowhere - and the Steelers team will bring us continued thrills in the future. No internet in the two years between SB X and XIII, but you could have walked into any barber shop and heard these same comments - maybe even worse. Also - someone posted somewhere a facebook PETITION three years before SB XL asking to fire Cowher. Face it, "Fire Tomlin" supporters - Mike Tomlin is at the BEGINNING of his career with the Steelers - not the end. You'll be hollering this for YEARS to come. Cowher wasn't fired after TWO CONSECUTIVE losing seasons. What makes ANYONE on here think Tomlin is going to go after winning 26 games over the past 2 years?

 

to this, to quote coach T "the standard is the standard" when our fans are talking about firing the head coach after a disappointing ending to our season.

 

And yet I hear people say that Cowher left Tomlin with a "loaded" team. I'm not directing this at you diehard...just using what you put because it was applicable. When people can find me that ONE coach that never loses a game or has a down year or fields a bad team I will, then, listen to those of you that blame everything on the current coach. This year came down to untimely injuries and for some reason the inability to "gell". I can't place my finger on it but the team never seemed to be "the team" that they usually are ~In that regard, I do blame coaches and I blame players both. That damn injury bug is a mother*$#^@!*...

 

Whoa, wait a sec. I have never advocated any coaches removal except for BA. I like Tomlin but think he has his shortcomings, like delegating too much authority to his coordinators (a big problem) and poor clock management ( a small problem). My post was in response to an earlier post stating he earned the same number of super bowls in less time than Cowher, so he must be better than Cowher. Wrong in my opinion, partly due to Tomlin have superior players than Cowher had. Just look at one position, QB. Cowher had in order: Neil O'donnel, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Mattox. Journeymen QB's at best. When Ben get's drafted Cowher wins his Super Bowl. Here are Tomlin's QB's: Ben. Tomlin wins one and loses one with Ben. Going down the list of players (which I won't do) on both sides of the ball, Cowher's players were generally inferior to the players on today's team. So my point was you can't just look at Super Bowl wins & years coaching and say Tomlin beats Cowher. And if you do believe that, prove me wrong!

 

Whoa, wait a sec. I have never advocated any coaches removal except for BA. I like Tomlin but think he has his shortcomings, like delegating too much authority to his coordinators (a big problem) and poor clock management ( a small problem). My post was in response to an earlier post stating he earned the same number of super bowls in less time than Cowher, so he must be better than Cowher. Wrong in my opinion, partly due to Tomlin have superior players than Cowher had. Just look at one position, QB. Cowher had in order: Neil O'donnel, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Mattox. Journeymen QB's at best. When Ben get's drafted Cowher wins his Super Bowl. Here are Tomlin's QB's: Ben. Tomlin wins one and loses one with Ben. Going down the list of players (which I won't do) on both sides of the ball, Cowher's players were generally inferior to the players on today's team. So my point was you can't just look at Super Bowl wins & years coaching and say Tomlin beats Cowher. And if you do believe that, prove me wrong!

Thus why I said it wasn't directed at YOU

 

But Ben can't win it on his own. Without strong defensive performance, he won't win the SB. He can't outperform other strong QB's, in general (look test). NE was a fluke, just like Tebow on Sunday was a fluke.

Cowher had better, consistent pass rush, better O-Line and better RBs (even though this is a lop-sided comparison based on this being the beginning of Tomlin's Steelers HC career vs. Cowher's complete career).