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Antonio Brown Considering Holding Out For New Deal?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Apr 20, 2015.

  1. santeesteel

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    People actually PAY for your thoughts? And you're giving them away for free on here? We get what we pay for, I guess.
     
  2. lloyddestroy

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    Oh, I am well aware of how it works.

    I am not sure it is quite that simple. So, if I sign a deal for $3 million a year with a $10 million signing bonus, can I retire the next day and keep the $10 mill?

    So, can a player cut a team if he feels it is warranted? No, they can't.

    Yea, I know that. I am just sick of those who spout "players should honor their contracts, they signed the deal" when teams can cut them any time they no longer want to agree to the contract they signed. Only the NFL can do this. Baseball and hoops players do not have to fear this. Why is that?
     
  3. Blast Furnace

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    They should ask for a refund.

    I see a lot of double talk in there as well as some prime examples of the pot calling the kettle black. Bottom line is Bell is greatly outperforming his contract. Spin it anyway you like.
     
  4. lloyddestroy

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    That's right.
     
  5. lloyddestroy

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    So in your world, he should be made to play under current deal until it 100% expires. Each and every year. After all, he signed it. He should be made to play the entire deal out. Right? (Now, let's watch some fancy tap dancing.) :popcorn:
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Why would I have to tap dance? :lolol:

    Is that a trick question? Yes, it is my position, as well as many others that are having this discussion with you, that players should honor their contracts. Your concern for the finances of millionaires is touching if not a bit inconsistent, where was the concern for Troys salary? But I digress, my concern lies with the team and its ability to win, not how many more millions athletes can make.

    Yes, I know, you think its unfair but in fact it is not. It's been explained to you several times how contracts work.
     
  7. SteelerGlenn

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    I'll answer that.
    With a year left I would extend Bell and give him a nice raise. I don't think you want him to hit free agency.
    Brown on the other hand got a nice fat contract and some would argue he got it before he deserved it. The Steelers IMO took a huge risk giving him that contract and it has paid off for both of them. Last season he out preformed his salary, no doubt about it, but with 3 years left on his deal no way you renegotiate. Another monster year and maybe you go out of the norm and do it with 2 years remaining.
    This is the way the Steelers do business. You may have a different opinion , but right or wrong it isn't going to change.
    Best to find a way within yourself to deal with it instead of continually agitating everyone.
     
  8. SteelerGlenn

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    I initially thought that it should work both ways with the contract, but after you and a couple others have explained how NFL contracts work I totally get it.
     
  9. Bleedsteel

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    I`m soooo glad I stayed out of this, until I read the news,

    (If you call "Twitter" feeds, from the player involved, "news"... My old school self, is still getting used to that...),

    That he simply took this time to be with his newborn son...

    I will take that at face value, and breathe a sigh of relief...

    Although the arguments here, made for great reading, I`m glad I didn`t allow myself to get caught up in them...

    I`d like to credit at least 2 posters, for not jumping to conclusions, during all this madness, but, I forget which 2 they were, and I`m too lazy, to go back, and look...

    At LEAST 2 ppl said they were waiting to hear from the player himself, and they were skeptical if it was an actual issue or not...
    Kudos to them!!!:applaud:

    Myself, I automatically assumed the worst... Trying to work on that cynisism/realism, thing...

    Glad to hear AB is looking forwrd to being back with the team, but enjoying his newborn son, first!!!

    (The cynic, in me, would think this was "testing the waters, for negotiations"... but I doubt it. I will accept this, as what he posted).

    GO STEELERS!!!:herewego!:

    GO STEELERS!!!
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think most of us were speaking in terms of "If" this is true and then went on to discuss it. I originally said I was skeptical and awaiting more information and once it became known he missed Mondays workouts, the story seemed to have some teeth.

    I wouldn't breath a sigh of relief yet, AB has never disputed the notion he wants a new contract, not that I've seen yet anyway. I will not be surprised if he skips all of the voluntary stuff. I'd be a little surprised if he holds out until the start of the season and very surprised if he holds out into the season. I don't think there is any chance of that.
     
  11. lloyddestroy

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    So you think double standards are fair and appropriate? Got it.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    LOL :facepalm:

    No, you don't, you really don't.
     
  13. lloyddestroy

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    One of the things NO ONE has considered is that AB and his agent wanted to float a trail balloon and see where the majority of fans stood. Since the majority were ticked off, they went to plan B, which they had in place all along. In this day of social media, it is now very easy to test the reaction and then react accordingly. This is common practice in today's world.
     
  14. lloyddestroy

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    Nope, I do, you just don't realize it. You feel there should be set of ethics for one side but not the other, all based on your personal wants for the team to do well, without applying the same ethic codes for the team. I got it. You are very comfortable with double standards just to get your way. I totally get it.
     
  15. darcrav

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    We all know Blast can't tap dance
    more like the Carlton
    or two step
    or
    the Bernie
    or the
    conga

    come on baby
    shake the body
    do the conga
    come on baby
    I know you can't control yourself any longa
     
  16. lloyddestroy

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    So you favor double standards? OK.
     
  17. SteelerGlenn

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    I think you're missing the point that this is the way the NFL and the players have agreed to do NFL contracts.
    You're actually missing a lot more than that , but we'll save that for another time.
     
  18. darcrav

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    OOOPS
    forgot the
    Tango

    definitely
    HE CAN TANGO
     
  19. Bleedsteel

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    Funny how the whole, "I wasn`t at camp because I wanted to be there for the birth of my son", thing, didn`t show up, untill 10 pages of fans being frustrated with him "wanting the money", were posted, tho...

    Can`t blame anyone, I was frustrated tooo...

    Just expected the worst...

    Glad, there was an alternate explanation.
    And a good one...

    He has every right to his privacy,...

    But it`s "funny" how we immediatley jump to the worst conclusions... IMHO...

    Myself, included...

    But I highly doubt if any of us thought he had checked himself into rehab... LOL!!!:lolol:

    We just Ass U Me d he was being greedy...

    Can ya blame us?

    GO STEELERS!!:yeehaw:

    eDIT, "Holy Crap... he post above, was supposed to be a response to Blast`s qoute of mine, not the 4 in between it... I type too slow... quicksand... AHHH...
     
  20. SteelerGlenn

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    Hey genius, I didn't say I was in favor of anything. This is the way the NFL structures their contracts. And apparently it's an acceptable and legal way of doing it. Does really matter at all what I think about it.
     
  21. SteelerGlenn

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    Plus this is a non qualifier and I'm getting ad nauseated with your constant trolling!
     
  22. IAmTheWalrus

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    Proposed plan
    Ring ring ring "Hello this is Tampa Bay's Gm, How can I help you"
    Steeler's Gm "Hey TB gm this the the steeler's GM, I got an offer you cant refuse"
    Tb's GM "O that is exciting, tell me please!"
    Steelers Gm "Mike Evans and Brown would be a great 1 2 punch right"
    Tb's GM "Well heck ya, only in my dreams that could happen!"
    Steelers GM "Well call me a genie because I can grant your wish, We will give you Brown and ever a crazy super awesome fast running back you so desperately need named Dri Archer plus the 22nd pick, and all you gotta give us is your 1st round pick, Glennon is better anyways"
    Tb's Gm "Well I dont know, this is a tough one"
    Steelers GM "hey we are the 6 time champs, I am big brother just trying to help little brother. Winston may fall to 22 anyways."
    TB's Gm "Ya you are right, lets make the trade!"

    Brown, archer, and our pick goes to Tb and are not a threat because Glennon is a joke, We draft Winston and let Ben mentor him. BOOM Superbowl contenders for the next 12+ years!!!!!
     
  23. Blast Furnace

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    As its been pointed out and explained to you by several members on how contracts are structured in the NFL, you obviously don't get it, given your continued stubborn stance.

    And for the record, even if this was a double standard, yeah, absolutely I'd be ok with it. What I would not be ok with, is if AB strong armed the Steelers into dealing with his contract 3 years sooner than they anticipated and hurting their ability to strengthen the team in other areas.

    But it's ok, I know you are deeply concerned about AB being able to afford to eat off of McDonalds dollar menu. Very touching.
     
  24. thorn058

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    In this secondary or tertiary discussion I am going have to side with Blast on this one. All the things Lloyddestoys has brought up are basically window dressing and should be stripped away to expose the core which is by giving in to any player, in this case Brown, would set a very bad precedent and as Blast is suggesting would allow any player from rookie to vet to attempt similar tactics. The fact that Brown is getting paid as the 15th ranked WR while his play puts him in the top five has no bearing on setting the precedent and only serves to muddy the waters by making it appear reasonable for him to do so.
     
  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    It's a slow time of the year. If it wasn't for the lack of logic on a particular poster half of these subjects would be very short. Maybe he's worth the penny.
     

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