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Antonio Brown Considering Holding Out For New Deal?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Apr 20, 2015.

  1. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Simply his love for the game . As there has been articles about DHB and him being willing to do anything to help his Team win . Most WR'S are divas and when benched would hit the pine and sulk . Not DHB . Where do you need me Coach ? How can I help ? As a former Coach that is why I support DHB now .

    From potential star to bust to Team Guy . That is worth it's weight in gold , esp. in todays NFL .
     
  2. lloyddestroy

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    Factually speaking, he's not being paid as #10, he is being paid #14. That is total BS. Pay the man. Don't be cheap hiding behind BS excuses.
     
  3. lloyddestroy

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    Worth weight in gold for all 3 catches? Please.
     
  4. SteelerGlenn

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    No problem with DHB being on the team. Just confirming what Lloyd said that not all first round WR's pan out.
     
  5. PWP

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    It's not all about production . Every Team needs Team players . Guys who put in the work, guys who motivate guys around them . Is he a super star ? Not by any stretch . But when you hear locker room guy then DHB is at the top of that list and his peers have mad respect for him you can bank on that.

    As fans we need stats , we need production , we need high light reels . He gives us none of those yet he still hits the weight room he hits the practice field and he excepts any role the Coaches give him . If the NFL had more players of that mind set then it would be a lot better off ....
     
  6. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers will not cave into AB's demands. Doing so would be a catastrophic mistake.
     
  7. SteelerGlenn

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    Yeah if we had more guys we 3 catches we'd be better off?
    I get what your saying about good team guys, but that only goes so far. If your not contributing in a big way on the field then so what.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Were they being cheap when they paid him more than he was worth at the start of his contract?

    Its an incredible lack of vision to not see the problems this will cause moving forward if they cave into AB's demands. Every player behind him will have their hands out looking to renegotiate their contract.

    The Steelers will stick to their guns and AB will lose. If he even trys, right now his missing voluntary workouts is nothing but grandstanding, probably half the starters missed Mondays work outs as well.
     
  9. SteelerGlenn

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    This! IMO There's no way they redo his contract this year. Maybe if he has another monster year they step outside the box and extend him before next season, but more than likely he'll have to wait.
     
  10. PWP

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    Everyone can't contribute . Only 1 Football can be used at a time . My point is just because you aren't touching it , that's no excuse not to block or not to run your route or not to run the play as if you where getting the ball....=Team.

    I have never seen DHB quit on a play knowing the play is not for him . Most WR'S barely run a route if not the primary target. Most WR'S only shadow block when run blocking.....

    So DHB does come up big just nothing you see in the box score .
     
  11. SteelerGlenn

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    I'm going to say this as nice as I can.
    You're out of your mind!
     
  12. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I personally think the whole idea of a "market" for any player is sorta ridiculous when you really look at it. I mean I know it exists but what I'm saying is that really one players worth has really nothing to do with another players worth. Also because one owner might be stupid enough to put all their eggs in one basket it doesn't mean another team has to be that stupid. Suppose the clowns paid a punter $100 million does that mean the Steelers should? I don't feel like the Steelers "owe" AB just because he has put up the numbers he has. What they ACTUALLY owe him is what they originally agreed to in 2012. That's it. He signed that contract of his own volition. To my knowledge, there has been no stories surface that the Rooney's forced him to sign it. I believe he is the best WR in the game but he signed a contract and he should honor it. Then when the time comes if he keeps producing the Rooney's will reward him accordingly. He should ask Ben if he doesn't believe me.
     
  13. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    But have you seen AB quit on plays? I know Mike Wallace did but I've always felt like AB was a good team player. I know a team has to have role players but it also has to have stars. I highly doubt a team of role players can win the Super Bowl. The Pats are as close to doing that as anyone. At least on offense and what I mean by that is that most of the guys on their offense would be role players everywhere else in the league. They do have some stars on defense though. I don't think there's a truly valid case to be made that DHB is more important than AB though. If that be the case then DHB and the rest of the role players around the league should be holding out as well. The fact that a guy can block ok and play some special teams and catch about 10-15 balls per year is no reason for that guy to be a highly paid player.
     
  14. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    so
    uhh
    what's new round here?


    round here
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Ok... I like DHB having the opportunity to come into camp and compete for the 4th or 5th WR spot. However this notion that he brings extraordinary value is kind of absurd. If you want a "yessir, whatever you need" team player, we can probably find you a hundred of them to bring in as UDFAs. DHB is a nice player to have on a vet minimum deal, but he could be cut tomorrow and the team wouldn't miss a beat. Really, they wouldn't.
     
  16. PWP

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    TY. I try hard and never quit on a post .
     
  17. gpguy

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  18. TerribleTowelFlying

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  19. thorn058

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    This is beginning to look more and more like Brown and his agent posturing in order to say that while Heyward and Decastro are important they are not as important as Brown and he should be ahead of them on the list of deals that need to get done.
     
  20. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Ok friends, say you are AB and you God forbid blow out your knee and can't be the player you once were. The Steelers say AB you have lost that step, we can't use you @9mill a season but we can at 5 million. Now who is getting pissed on?

    Side note, I hope both sides can come to a win win situation. The Steelers/Rooney's will never cave into players demands. AB is my favorite Steeler and best player on the team. Just my 2 cents.
     
  21. bedwyr

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    I don't doubt that AB is currently being underpaid for his production and that it would seem that the best thing might be to get together and agree a new deal of some sort. I think though, Bouchette in his blog on the PG adresses the problems this would cause and as such why the Steelers are pretty much gonna have to hold him to the contract he signed.

    http://sportsblogs.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers-steelers-blog

    "Perhaps the Steelers would love to tear up Brown’s contract and give him one that would better reflect his standing among the league’s wide receivers as it’s leading catcher and first-team All-Pro. But they cannot.If they did it for Brown with three years left, who might be next to want to do it? Let’s say the Steelers get Kelvin Beachum for a decent new five-year deal this year and in two years, he become an All-Pro left tackle. Hey, if Brown got what he wanted, why not Beachum? Maurkice Pouncey might think in 2017 that $7.5 million does not put him in the top 10 centers in the league and want a new deal that now runs through 2019.
    Once the precedent is set, players in the future – maybe those they will draft next weekend – can say they outplayed their contract and hold out for a new one. Who knows, if Brown were to get the contract he demands today, in three years he may decide he has outplayed that and wants even more.
    It is a big reason why the Steelers will not and cannot give Brown a new deal, not until the year before his current one runs out. That means early in 2017."

    Unfortunately for AB I see no way the Stelers can renegotiate his contract now without causing complete chaos in any future contract negotiations or in cap management.
     
  22. bedwyr

    bedwyr Well-Known Member

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    As an aside and hoping it never gets close to this, what would AB's trade value be hypothetically and what cap impact would a trade have. I think you'd want at least a first plus another high pick?
     
  23. Coastal Steeler

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    I am afraid with Agents and player greed Glenn. If we extend him and he has a monster year, they want a new contract next year too.
     
  24. steel1031

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    I wanted to wait to hear from brown on this. I always hate when a story breaks and no word from the player. I don't know what is going on. I doubt anyone does for sure.

    he has had one great year. one pretty good year. lets let him do it at least one more before we give him more than he has now. he was overpaid when we gave him contract. I understand why and have no problem with why they done it.

    he will play and probably play at the same high level we expect. the big problem is gonna be in two years when he is gonna want to be top paid wr.
     
  25. freakfontana

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    he also twitted this :
    Antonio Brown@AntonioBrown84 15 h15 ore fa

    "Everyday be grateful; thankful for everything u have, you can always have more, but you can also have less"

    seems in contraddiction with a men not happy with his current salary

     

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