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Bud Dupree. Just say no

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by cajunyankee, Apr 4, 2015.

  1. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    We need not draft him. I believe he'll set our defense back for years to come and we can't afford that.

    Cajun
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'd draft him in a second. Him and Shazier could be a headache for an offense. He needs to bring it every play and I don't always like his pursuit of the ball carrier, but thats what we have coaches for, coach him up, his ability is eye popping.
     
  3. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Care to elaborate? On film I don't see a guy who is the equal of the top rushers in the draft, but he's got tons of natural ability for the 3-4 OLB position, and I've read nothing that suggests that there are any off the field issues with him. I don't think he'd impact much year 1, but he's a great canvas for our coaches to develop, and could be great in the 2016-17 time frame. I think his appropriate value range is pretty much right where we're picking.
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I'd have no problem with Dupree at 1.22.
     
  5. SGSteeler

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    Why do you think that? He's not my favorite prospect for us at 22, but I wouldn't go as far to say he's set us back for years to come. He's too raw for my liking. He needs to develop his rushing moves and adds to his arsenal. His lack of production compared to the level of freak athlete he is worries me a little. He disappears during stretches of the game, which is worrisome too, but overall the kid definitely has an NFL body and has the natural athletic ability to succeed in the NFL. The potential is definitely there.
     
  6. strummerfan

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    He's a far safer pick than JJ was.
     
  7. SGSteeler

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    Idk If I'd go that far. It's pick your poison between those two. The guy who is a mediocre athlete who puts up all star production (JJ), or the guy with all star measurabless who puts up mediocre production (Dupree). I'd feel safer taking the former of those two choices.
     
  8. Badboy212

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    Would take him if he was there, but if don't see him around at 22. His numbers and talent pop, and IMO he will be a very good pro
     
  9. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    You can call it allstar production, but if you go back and actually watch you'll see how those stats(sacks) were accumulated. It's really not very impressive. There were a fair number of coverage sacks and intentional grounding sacks. I hated the pick before it was made and he's done nothing to change my stance since then. The guy has the b word written all over him.
     
  10. PWP

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    He has made skills , but just a bit shy on the motor side . We have been trying to draft under sized guys and beef them up, why not change the approach and draft guys who already have the talent , but need to be motivated .
     
  11. SGSteeler

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    I've watched his tape. I've seen Dupree's too. It's not like Dupree was man handling OT's either. My point is that they both played SEC competition, and Jones had more sacks and TFL in two seasons at Georgia than Dupree had in four at Kentucky. His production was significantly better despite being 1/4 the athlete Dupree is.

    While JJ hasn't been the player in the NFL that he was in college yet, in my mind he was a pretty safe pick at that time. Dupree has a higher ceiling IMO, but is very much a boom/bust type of prospect.
     
  12. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    If he adds just a few pounds of muscle he's a 4-3 DE....period. He's a workout wonder with not so great performance. His motor is inconsistent. He played in a 2 pt and 3 pt stance in college. He flashed some skills doing both but doing so set his development back. Would you preferred an avg multi position guy or a dominate one position guy? He going to have to decide what position he playing and it'll take 2 yrs to coach him up and don't forget MOTIVATE him.

    We don't play a 4-3 base and as far as OLB goes we already have a developmental guy in JJ.... which is why we had to sign 37 yr old Deebo again. The value just isn't there in the 1st rd considering his bust potential all of you know he carries. He is NOT Ziggy Ansah......

    Cajun
     
  13. SC Gamecock

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    JJ puts it together this year
     
  14. lloyddestroy

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    If not, we are in real trouble. JJ has to have a breakout season.
     
  15. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    You, me, and Dupree baby!!!!! 2015, Here We Go!

    HA HA, in all actuality I have no idea, who we draft....
     
  16. SC Gamecock

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    agreed. I believe he does...sure hope so
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :this!: I think he will, I know it was a small sample size but he looked good to me at the beginning of last season. I think he'll continue to improve upon that.
     
  18. Steel_Elvis

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    I'm going to add one more observation to the Dupree conversation. As a prospect he reminds me a whole lot of Jamie Collins a couple of years go, but with more power to engage linemen and less coverage ability. I was down on Collins because his college tape didn't come anywhere close to matching his physical ability. To me simply looked mentally slow to react to what the offense was doing on every play. There was a hesitation on almost every play. Well, Jamie Collins is now one of the top defensive players on the Super Bowl champs. There's no hesitation at the beginning of plays, and no lack of production and impact plays.

    I wouldn't have touched Collins before the 3rd round because of what I saw on tape, and as it turns out that would have been a mistake had I been a real GM. I see similar traits in Dupree in terms of why he didn't always impact. I don't think it's because of lack of desire, or lack of talent. I just see a kid who seems to hesitate a lot, the same way that Collins looked to me. There's a player inside of Dupree who is waiting for the right coaching to bust him out, and if that happens his ceiling is really, really high.

    I am not privy to interviews or background checks, but I haven't read anything about him being a problem child on or off the field. If the team's research turns up no black marks character-wise, I say pull the trigger and tell our coaches "here's your canvas, paint us a Pro Bowler."

    *It's funny - after I typed the above, I took at look at his NFL draft profile on nfl.com to see his combine measurables, and to compare them to a great NFL pass rusher - Robert Quinn - before clicking "Post." Here it is. Look toward the end at what a scout said, and their comparison:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/bud-dupree?id=2552289

    By the way, he is almost the same size as Quinn, and his measurables blow Quinn's away. I'm not all that into measureables, but a 4.56 40, 42" vertical and 11'4" broad jump for a guy who is 269 lbs. are utterly ridiculous. His potential is off the charts, and there's enough of tape IMO to conclude that he's not just a workout warrior. He's just a raw work in progress.
     
  19. steel1031

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    the kid is a great pick at 22 if there. he played on some bad defenses and played a lot. Kentucky didn't have a lot of depth. he just needs some coaching but in college he was one of those kids you had to game plan for.

    he would be great for us.
     
  20. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    ahh, the jamie collins i liked so well back then elvis.;):smiley1: then the kid fom BYU last year, what was his name,:hmmm::smiley1:

    LOL just messin with ya my friend. :smiley1:

    as for dupree, i could take or leave him. very hit or miss style when more of a sure thing could be had in the 1st and some good pass rushers are still out there later on. there are some small school guys that have some size and speed to play OLB and if we are having to coach them up a year or two, i think going that route allows us a better pick at one. double OO still intrigues me too with seemingly more power and speed on tape. then the production of kikaha is still an option in my book. hard to say on any of these guys. hopefully we make a good choice as this unfolds.:cool:
     

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