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swapped mocks with a pretty cool steelers fan i met.

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by steel1031, Mar 19, 2015.

  1. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    met this guy thru work. me and my wife had dinner with him and his. we got to talking about football and he is a steelers fan. our wives went walking and we sat at the bar and talked draft.

    he didn't think we would sign any free agent corners worth making the roster so he showed me his mock. he was serious about it. I thought it was a joke. told him I would post it on here and get some feedback for him. he really thinks this is possible.


    rd1 kevin Johnson cb wake forest

    rd2 Jalen Collins cb lsu

    rd3 marcus golden olb Missouri

    rd4 kurtis Drummond s mich st

    rd5 nick marshall cb auburn

    rd6 Damien swann cb Georgia

    rd7 Xzavier Dickson olb alabama
     
  2. SC Gamecock

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    There's just no way Collins falls that far. We'd have to make a choice between Johnson and Collins in that scenario, then see who's available in the 2nd
     
  3. chitown steeler3

    chitown steeler3 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    The CBs that have the potential to still be available for us in the 2nd I think would be Rollins (doubtful), Carter (likely), Darby (likely), Ekpre-Olomu (possible), and Jones (doubtful). These guys are part of my top 10 CBs in the draft (not in order) the first 5 are definitely going to be off the board at that time.
     
  4. SC Gamecock

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    Any of them in the 2nd would be fine with me.

    Damnit having Worilds back with Landon Collins in 1st and one of them in the 2nd would've been a nice scenario
     
  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    landon Collins in the first would be the biggest mistake we could make. next would be jalen.:cool:
     
  6. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Mac and I often disagree on draft matters, but I agree with this. I don't like either player as a first rounder at all.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Dulac just mentioned Rowe as a 1st rd pick, I think thats the first I have read that. Have you watched him?
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that's the first I heard of him as a first rounder but I have been talking about him for awhile. he could play FS too.:cool:
     
  9. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    no way. landon is one of the top players in this draft. major upside with very little risk. I couldn't disagree more
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we don't need another tackle only safety. we need one that can play the pass. nfl receivers will have a field day against him.:cool:
     
  11. steel1031

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    he covers very well when ask to. he was ask to do a ton at bama. I will bet you right now that by year five ( if he stays healthy) he will be in the pro bowl. he is better than mark barron was at bama
     
  12. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Hmmm... I saw Mark Barron on a milk carton the other day. Is he still in the league?

    Seriously though, I think Collins is exceptional in the box, but pretty mediocre in coverage. Ten years ago I would have been all about getting him at pick #22. But this is the "new" NFL where the rules favor coverage safeties over big hitters. I haven't re-watched the Bama/Ole Miss since watching it on live TV, but that one soured me on Collins.
     
  13. turtle

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    rnd 1 good pick
    rnd 2 would rather go highest rated OLB or safety Harris. I don't think Jalen will fall that far.
    rnd 3 golden is fine or RB D. Johnson
    rnd 4 OLB or RB depending on rnd 3.
    rnd 5 do not want marshall, would rather go highest rated DE
    rnd 6 Swann or CB Mager or S Thompson
    rnd 7 off. or def. line prospect Terry Poole OT for example.
     
  14. steel1031

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    he can hit, I will agree. I just don't think you can have enough guys who can make plays and take the ball away. he can separate people from the ball. he is better in zone than man. I will say that but we play a lot of man.

    I know all of this is a mute point cause he wont be there. I really think you would be happy with him in black and gold though. for the record I think barron is with the rams.lol
     
  15. freakfontana

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    :this!:
     
  16. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Make that 3 of us.
     
  17. turtle

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    He is with the Rams you are correct. Tampa taking him with #7 overall in 2012 was way too high. But I don't understand how people think Barron's success/failure is a indication of L. Collins. Look at Trent Richardson vs Mark Ingram. Same school even. Two different players, mindsets, etc etc. That's why the draft is so tough to predict.

    I was high on Landon Collins earlier and thought he might be a good pick but I watched some more of his games and was not impressed with his pass coverage skills, more specifically his reaction time when the ball was being delivered. Is he going to be a bad NFL player? No, I don't think so. He's an in the box safety. If coaches put him into deep coverage more often than yes, his weaknesses will be exposed. Its on the coaches to maximize the players strengths. I like the potential of Shamarko and would rather go another direction with 1.22 especially since we have not found a starter at OLB and some CBs in FA.

    I do think he would be an upgrade over Mitchell on run support though. But that's not enough for him to go rnd 1 for us. As for ST29, its tough to say. Play the guy already so you can see what you have. The drop off in playing time at safety year two was area 51-like. I know injuries had some say in that tho.
     
  18. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    the only comparison I was making and it probably didn't come across that clear was that I watch both play at bama. Collins was better in college. he was ask to do so much for that defense. when mosley left along with some others had to take the role of making sure not only the secondary was in position but lbers too.

    I wouldn't be disappointed with him as the pick only because when you can get a 10 year starter with the first pick regardless of position I see it as a good pick. only an injury will keep him from that and that is the case with anyone.

    I do agree with your opinion about his coverage. it does need some work but I think te and backs he can cover just fine
     
  19. turtle

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    Not singling you out in any way. I think it was mentioned in another thread.

    One of my favorite safeties is Glover Quinn of the Lions. Covers the TEs with the best of them. If we could get a safety like that, I would be excited.
     
  20. Steel_Elvis

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    I'm pretty sure that Quinn was a corner in college, and that seems to be the new way to find a top free safety these days. Get a guy who is a decent cover corner, but not so good that he's got to stay at corner. One who has decent size and can really tackle. Jairus Byrd was a corner, and I'm pretty sure that Earl Thomas played a lot of corner in college at Texas as well. A couple of guys who may fit that bill are Rowe from Utah and Carter from Stanford. Both are respectable, but not great, cover corners who can tackle and seem to have the skill set to be good free safeties.
     
  21. freakfontana

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    cortez allen seems fit your description , he cover te but not wr
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Don't forget the part about tackling... Cortez seemed to completely forget about it.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think thats where his injury affected him the most.
     

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