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I'll take Bradshaw over Brady any day.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Common sense because the rules were much harder against the WR's and QB's back than.

    Now if you want to talk defense, the opposite probably holds true. I'm not so sure the greats from back then would do as well, not just because of the rule changes but because players are much bigger now.

    But for QB's. I dont know how anyone can't agree with that.
     
  2. aces4me

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    I was surprised to read recently that even with all the rules changes to benefit the passing offenses, TDs per game have remained the same. Points per game are up but that is largely due to kickers being so much better in this era. The reason the rule changes have been made it that although the defensive players are getting bigger stronger and faster (and defenses more complicated) the field has stayed the same size. Without rule changes severely hampering defenses passing offenses would be non-existent. So as D players are getting better and D strategy get more complex and the rules change to keep offenses scoring the game has changed dramatically since the 70s. Passers have to read defenses quicker, and throw more accurately. So while passers of both eras had to have skills to be successful in that era, the skills required don't necessarily translate across eras forward or backward.
     
  3. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well, if you compare Bradshaw and Brady's stats, Bradshaw had 212 TD, 210 int and a career 70.9 passer rating. Brady has 392 TDs, 143 ints and a career passer rating of 95.9. I think someone could say that common sense in the form of statistical data says that Brady is way better than Bradshaw was. Now, I wouldn't buy that argument either. I would say that you can't compare the stats from different eras, because the rules were different. The vast difference in stats is largely due to the different rules making things easier on the passing game now. I think the only thing that can be concluded via common sense is that you can't really say for sure.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thats kind of ridiculous, Elvis. Just have to agree to disagree, I think its obvious and common sense.
     
  5. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Bradshaw didn't always get to play 16 games seasons either though. However, I still don't think his numbers would have measured up to those though. I've heard that Lynn Swann averaged less than 3 yard per catch in his career. BUT he made catches when they really counted and that's what really matters.
     
  6. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    3 yards per catch??? Swann averaged over 16 YPC for his career.
     
  7. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Yea. I can't remember Lynn ever catching a 3 yarder. He was always down field. The sideline swing pass was almost non existent back then as far as I recall.
     
  8. JAD

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    But what I'm saying is that if Brady played in Bradshaws era his rating would be a lot closer to Bradshaws 70.9 passing rating. And still think he would not of survived that era cause he would of been injured with the beating he would of taken back then. That's how much the rules have changed in protecting the quarterbacks along with defensive backs being so aggressive with receivers and the way safeties were allowed to hit receivers.
     
  9. AFan

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    This thread reminds me of a joke:

    Q: How many Pittsburghers does it take to change a light bulb?








    A: Three, one to change the bulb, and two to reminisce about how great the old light bulb was.
     
  10. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    I would pay large sums of money to witness what Lambert would have done to Brady back in those days with the way the rules were so many years ago.
     
  11. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Hey now. Don't rip on the old light bulbs. They were so much brighter than these gas ones of today.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You have to take things with a grain of salt when debating BFT, he throws things like that out there to see if he can get it by people to make his argument look better :lolol:

    I dont think anyone averaged 3 yards a catch back then, especially Swann.
     
  13. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    ok, so you say that the rules were harder on QBs and receivers in the 70s, therefore QBs from the 70s are better than today's QBs. That's the entire argument, and you call it obvious and common sense. Ok, I'm out of this one. :shrug:
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Pretty much in a nut shell. The game has been made easier for WR to get open and protect the QB much more, seems like an easy enough conclusion to jump too. We're talking about HOF QB's here, not Johnny Manziel.
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

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    If you had said the difference in rules is the main reason for the disparity in stats, I could buy that. However, to simply say the rules were harder, therefore the guys from the past were better is just not a complete, rational argument. If their stats were close, then yeah you could say that the guys in the past did just about as well under more restrictive rules, therefore they must have been better. However, the stats are not close at all. They're worlds apart. Your argument takes 1 piece of information out of a ton of variables and draws an "obvious" conclusion. That's like saying we haven't been to the moon since 1972, therefore we were obviously a more scientifically advanced species in the 70s.
     
  16. steel1031

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    just ask yourself this question. how many qbs playing today could have played then?
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    My argument all along is that the game was harder (because of rules) for the receivers and QB to do their job. Fast forward 40 years and DB's can't breath on WR's and LB's can't even glare at QB's, stands to reason that those same HOF QB's that were succeeding under harsher conditions would do even better in todays game. I'm not seeing the variables here, football is not a difficult sport, I dont think guys from back then would be overwhelmed by the "complexity" of the game today.
     
  18. 12to88

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    Not true. The media portrayed him as such. His teammates knew (and have publicly said) otherwise.
     
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    Given that when he played. Bradshaw didn't have a headset in his helmet, plays listed on his wristband, refs protecting him, DVD players and tablets to review game tape and opponents, or--not to mention--an offensive coordinator...I'd bet he'd do just fine.
     
  20. 12to88

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    Greatest pass ever. Period. (I wish better video were available.)

    [video=youtube;xN5XRPmgGdo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN5XRPmgGdo[/video]
     
  21. JAD

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    Amen to that!
     
  22. blountforcetrauma

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    I said that I heard that once. Not that I believed it.
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Sure they would have done better. Bradshaw wouldn't have had 212 TDs and 210 ints, that's for sure. But it's a leap of faith - not obvious - to say that he would have been better than the guys today. I happen to think that Aaron Rodgers is building a GOAT resume, and I think that his ability to fit balls into tight windows and make plays on the move would have served him well in the 70's game. He wouldn't have put up the gaudy numbers that he does today, but I think he would have been great. Maybe the best. However it's just an opinion, and so is your view.
     
  24. blountforcetrauma

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    Pretty much every one of them. They are bigger, faster, and more complete athletes. Guys get the ball out so fast now they'd shred defenses. That's what I say anyway. There is no way to prove it one way or the other though. There's always gonna be these "back in my day" arguments. They exist in the NBA as well. They exist in baseball. They exist even in the video game culture that I am steeped in. I even see the mentality in churches all the time.
     
  25. AFan

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    I agree with this. The offenses of today would pick apart the smaller, slower Ds of the past. The level of sophistication of today's offenses, the substitutions, the reads would have the old Ds wondering if they were playing against teams from outer space.

    If you doubt this, I ask you this: it's 1980 and some grey beard wants to argue that Paul Browns teams of the '40s and early '50s were better than the Super Steeelers. What's the response? Probably sneers of derision, Come on old man, those puny guys running single wings wouldn't stand a chance. Yup, and it's that way now.
     

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