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The Steelers should re-sign Worilds

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, I don't remember that so I guess the fuss wasn't too big, but I'm sure he said something. Here, I found this:

    Didn't seem like whining to me, and the guy he said it to went out of his way to say it didn't seem like whining to him, either. Then he said, “If it helps the defense … I’m going to do that for my team.” in the same conversation.

    So, you ding him for "whining" about spending so much time in coverage to the point it prevents him from making plays on the quarterback, and say that instead of making complaints he should be getting sacks. Maybe with his "whine" he was hoping you could put 2 and 2 together. Oops.

    You're entitled to dislike him for it, but this seems like really small potatoes to me. More like answering a question someone asked him. For what it's worth, I kind of agree with Worilds on both "whines." I also agree with the team. It's hard to play him over Harrison and Woodley playing well, but I still would have worked him in there. You didn't spend a 2nd round pick on him for nothing, right? My feeling was he should have seen the field more. For this last one, I can see how it must be frustrating for a pass rusher to have to hang out in coverage and spying on the QB. But at the same time, I thought he was really good in that role. I don't have a problem with him or the team. It's just a bunch of stuff that happened, and he was asked about it.
     
  2. antennaman1969

    antennaman1969 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. McPhee will be due a raise, but he's probably not getting Justin Houston money.
    Maybe Chase Blackburn-type money, plus signing bonus or incentives.

    Kick the tires on Jabal Sheard if he passes the physical. Had some nagging injuries this year.
     
  3. Steel_in_DC

    Steel_in_DC Well-Known Member

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    At this point I say no, unless they can get him for a very reasonable cap friendly contract. Because OLB is so thin in FA it means he is very likely to get more elsewhere.

    Worilds is not a bad guy, but he is just an average OLB. You could make the argument that the Steelers may have done just as well with Moats in all season and he was paid like $9M less.

    Also I think Jason has a minor beef about being dropped in coverage so much, but he really didn't make the most of his opportunities when he did rush. He was far lower than Harrison in the # of generated pressures per pass rush and that was with Harrison usually taking on stiffer competition in a LT.

    Not sure if they could put together some type of contract that is incentive-based - but not sure how that affects the cap number if he satisfies it. So i.e. - is it possible they could sign him at $4M to $5M per year but put some riders in that if he collects something like 10 sacks he gets another 500K and "x" amount of tackles, 12 sacks and "x" amount of tackles $1M, 14 sacks and "x" amount of tackles $1.5M.
     
  4. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Sure, but then you'll REALLY see him whining about dropping into coverage because dropping into coverage may be removing $$$ from his pocket. I for one did not see any evidence of whining from him this season about playing coverage. I did see the complaining about how long it took for DL to trust him and get him meaningful snaps a couple of years ago, which I think was clearly a by product of playing behind Harrison and Woodley.

    In my view, he's nothing special. As a starting OLB in a 3-4 defense, he's adequate, but he's one of those guys you'd be looking to replace if the opportunity arose. You don't break the bank on a player like that. I'm especially disappointed in his run defense. He'll make the occasional play, but it seems to me that he gets washed out pretty frequently, and is a liability when teams run the outside zone in his direction.

    In another thread a week or two ago, I referred to JJ as being ideally suited to being "Robin" in a "Batman and Robin" outside pass rusher team. I also see Worilds as being Robin, but a less valuable Robin because JJ does other things better (such as holding the edge in run defense, instincts to make splash plays, etc.). We don't need 2 Robins. We need to find a Batman. Therefore, don't spend big cash on another Robin. If we can land him at a $$$ level commensurate to a 3rd OLB - i.e. 1st guy off the bench and spot starter in the event of injury, then I'm all for it. I don't want to pay him starter money. I don't have a feel for what payday a #3 OLB would command in today's market, so I'm not going to throw out a specific dollar amount.
     
  5. defva

    defva Well-Known Member

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    I would've let him walk last year. He has the same attitude as Wallace with way less talent.
     
  6. PWP

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    Well maybe a bit more talent , but I agree don't even pretend we want to match any offer .
     
  7. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    See post #26 above.

    I don't see Worlids not going all out for a sack, or putting in sub-par performances because he can't be bothered. What I see is someone playing to an above average standard, but not enough above average to break the bank on. His attitude - whatever it is - doesn't really come into it.
     
  8. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    Some of you act as if players are questioned under the influence of truth serum. Lets hope no one ever asks him if he's screwing around on his wife/girlfriend.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    This. He may be lacking in talent but I don't see him lacking in effort.
     
  10. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Because either, "Don't ask me about playing time, and don't ask me about how much time I'm spending in coverage" or, "Yeah, the bench is the place to be! And it's so much fun not rushing the passer" would have gone over so well with the reporter, and you. Then you'd be complaining about either his brooding ticking time bomb bad attitude, or his lack of passion. It's not his fault that giving an honest, respectful, fair answer makes you dislike him.
     
  11. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    Or he could just say that whether he's rushing or dropping, he needs to take advantage of his opportunities. He could have simply said that he needs to play better. That's the truth too.
     
  12. biggbunch68

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    Lets say JW leaves in FA what round comp pick will we get for him a 3 rd? ... how many comp pick do u think we will get over all this year
     
  13. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    I guess. I always like answers though. Those dodges get really tiresome.
     
  14. turtle

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    He played 98 or 99% of the defensive snaps this year. At a position which is thin as of now, I would hate to take that out of the lineup next year. If they can sign him to a reasonable amount (5-6mill/yr??) on a 3 year deal that would be acceptable. Maybe KB lets him loose more next year?
     
  15. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    If they get any comp picks for Worilds it won't be until 2016 draft.
     
  16. freakfontana

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    this year a couple of late rounds (6) if worilds go depend on the contract and snaps he will play , probably a 4th
     
  17. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Unfortunately, I don't see either the 5-6 or the 3 happening.
     
  18. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    All TBD. If we sign free agents we may get no comp pick at all. I'm looking at this offseason as one where I don't want to earn any 2016 comp picks because I think we need to add pieces in the form of legit free agent signings. By legit I don't mean splash signings, but definitely starters and quality depth. I'd love to see a decent free agent corner and/or safety to supplement the ones we'll likely draft . I also want to take a look at pass rushers to replace Worilds. Also, I wouldn't mind a new LG or #3swing tackle via free agency if we can find one that's priced reasonably. Two or 3 guys at those spots could help supplement our draft and help us climb the summit faster than relying on the draft alone.
     
  19. HugeSnack

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    Others have answered parts of the question already. As for what he's worth personally, if he doesn't get canceled out, that depends on some things that will happen in 2015, like how big the contract he signs is, and how much playing time he gets, if he makes the Pro Bowl, etc.

    None of that has happened yet, but I would guess he'd earn us a 4th. You never know, though.
     
  20. RobVos

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    All this talk about the negatives of a LB dropping into coverage - I am sure glad JH decided on his own to drop into coverage in the SB when he picked Warner. When you drop into coverage, there is still opportunity to make splash plays. I would take Sheard in a minute. I am not concerned about Worilds - would I like to keep him, yes, would I spend a lot, no. He is average.

    I hope we can get some good FA pick-ups for a change with a bit of cap room. I am tired of the Ravens always getting the likes of Boldin, Canty, Dumervil, Steve Smith, even Owens, etc.
     
  21. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    He didn't do enough when we really needed it for me.
    Some will over pay him. Let them.
     
  22. PWP

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    I agree. I will also add that we need a OLB with speed and power . It may be time to take a Athlete over a proven player. A little risky I know.
     
  23. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    Worilds is actually very athletic. Not in the "freak" category, but he's extremely athletic.
     
  24. PWP

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    I agree but just not enough to dominate IMO. A great OLB should dominate RT'S if on an island . That begins the chess match , I don't see him as a guy OC'S fear anymore .
     
  25. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    He's really good and a keeper if at all possible, at for a decent price. That being said I wouldn't over pay him, that's all.
     

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