STATISTICS

For some of you that worry about stats, especially our offensive stats, I've done some research. I’m not one of those fans that think stats are everything unless you’re talking wins and losses because stats mean NOTHING to me but results do. We are 12th in the league over all on offense. Five of the teams that are in front of us didn’t even make the PLAYOFFS so what does that tell me about stats??...........hmmmm……….THEY MEAN NOTHING. We are ranked 21st in the league as far as scoring points, there are 9 teams ahead of us statically in this area that didn’t make the PLAYOFFS so what does that tell me about stats………………. (All together now) THEY MEAN NOTHING. In 2008 we won the Super Bowl and we were ranked 22nd in the league as far as scoring points so what should this tell YOU about stats…………………………. (One more time) THEY MEAN NOTHING. Enjoy the rest of your day Steeler Fans.
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Our Defense has always been strongereven in the 70's when we had Stallworth, Swann, Franco, Bleir and Bradshaw. Not saying we are going to win the SuperBowl every year but we are alright other than Ben being hurt.

 

It's a different era. Time was we could have a dominant running game to go along with that defense, and win a lot of games that weren't as close as the score indicated.

We don't control the clock anymore. We either can't or don't impose our will through the ground and punish opposing Ds. We have a high flying passing game, but the scoring is the same as when control and a punishing ground game were the order of the day. There's a disconnect here.

The top 3 teams in the league all average TWO TDs better a game in scoring than we do. Their Ds aren't even a shade of what ours is statistically... and they all have better records and larger margins of victory. It's a new age in the NFL. We MUST start scoring more points. No defense is going to shut down every offense in the playoffs. Those days are long gone.[/quote:241vau6u]

From reading your post I would never beleive our record is 12-4 if I didn't see it for my self.

 

Oh yeah Ben and the boys will produce when they have too

 

Here's the thing. Remember back in training how they talked about how good our offense was going to be with this great receiving core? Well, it hasn't worked out. The offense has gotten worst. Why? The answer is Arians. Here are a few examples:

The Steelers continue their epic red-zone struggles. Arians
Blame the bum ankle if you want — Roethlisberger didn't — but I'll point to Bruce Arians' surprisingly conservative scheme of late. Arians

Yet another consequence of BA ball. You know, the craziest thing is, if the guy would commit to the ground game, most of the time with a lead back (blocker), he'd be OK. Arians
With the offensive weapons the Steelers have, and where they rank, it is very obvious that Ariens must be replaced! Replacing Arians should also help Ben develop as a QB. Arians is nothing more than a Big Ben enabler!! Arians

Offense? It does not add up. Can't keep stating that you are loaded with offensive talent, the QB is elite and the OC and the QB understand the system better than ever, and then go out and not score points at a rate at least equal to what a mediocre offense with a 2nd rate QB would score. Arians
The offense has dramatically underperformed this year. They have as many or more weapons as the Packers, Saints or Patriots. Arians

From veteran sports reporter Bob Smizik:
The Steelers finished 17th in the NFL in offensive touchdowns. Considering the offensive talent on hand, and that they were second in time of possession, that’s simply not good enough and it points to several things, including Arians.

Their red zone efficiency is still horrible. Arians
That is a testament to the consistently terrible play calling from a terrible OC.

OC - The worst OC that I can recall being on the Steeler roster from Cowher's era to Tomlin's present era. No clue how to game plan against opposing Ds to put his offense in a position to score. The same ole hike the ball, wait for a WR to get open, then throw deep. No screens, no bootlegs, no roll outs, no traps, no quick slants. Just the same predictable, elementary plays we've seen since day one. He is one of the main reasons why I cOC - HORRIBLE. With the talent we have on O, there's no excuse why we can't put up respectable points. We will not win anything as long as Tomlin keeps retaining Arians.

These are things that different reporters, and people are saying about Arians. How much more can we take. I will tell you one thing for sure, if the offense performs like they have the few weeks of the season, and the Steelers lose because of a poor offensive showing, BA will get the blame and the boot out of town. They will not resign him.

 

Slick - just a brief suggestion: try using more smilies in your posts. It will have more impact.

 

When they have to?? Uh, they need to start producing at the opening kickoff and then keep producing for the whole 60 minutes of the game! Stinky, you're really starting to worry me with some of your half asleep/everything is fine comments. Go grab a cup of coffee and we'll see you back here later today.

:FBAI!:

 

I take it Edogg wants BA gone. Thats what I get from this post. (haha) :FBAI!:

 

:bs: How many turnovers has been comitted by having bad throws and fumbles?? You can't blame those on Arians, I'm not suggesting that Ben sucks neither but come on Man. If Ben does good it's all on Ben, If Ben does bad (turnovers and off the wall passes) blame Arians. That about sums up your post.

 

he didnt blame turnovers on Arians. It is about calling plays with high sucess rates to give your team the best chance to win. Arians doesn't do that. We are poor in the redzone because the only plays we want to call are GO route and beat your man. Even though Ben is responsible for most sacks, there are times where an empty set backfield on 2nd or 3rd and 1 doesn't help Ben or our oline. When you set up that way you are telling the Defense "Hey guys we ARENT running the ball at all on this play.Also, we are putting all of our extra blockers out ready to catch a 15 yard pass. Please don't blitz us and please don't play man coverage. Thanks." - Love Bruce

 

I know that most of the replies in this thread focus on offense, but what I cannot figure out is how we can be ranked overall #1 in defense and be so terrible at forcing turnovers and also in getting to the quarterback. It just really surprises me!

 

The Steelers were second in the NFL (1st Houston) with a 32.33 time of possession. That's a big part of the offense controlling the clock. A very big important stat that nobody talks about.

 

Lets just go back to that second Rats game when ALL "Ben and the boys" needed was a 1st down. Did they get it for us? If they did would we be playing this weekend?...Just askin.....

 

Stats can be used and manipulated to support just about any opinion.

 

Flacco, 8-11 92 yds 1 td. in the final 2 minutes and 0 timeouts. Put that game on our D.

 

All we needed was 1 first down....Game was ours....Did our D fail us? YES....Did "Ben and the boys" fail us first? YES!!!....We didnt ask the O to win the game.....JUST GAIN 10 YARDS IN 4 PLAYS....Just trying to point out that MAYBE our O MAY NOT come to our defense when we need them!!......ITS A TEAM GAME!!!!

 

Guys ,listen this argument even though fun is pointless. You are never going to be able to convince the BA goggle wearers that their guy is incompetent. They either don't watch what is going on,understand what's going on or are just naturally sympathetic people by nature.Some people like to pretend that everything is just peachy-keen in steeler-land because it wouldn't be right to criticize their team. Remember the biggest room in the world ,is the room for improvement and we sure got a lot of space in the OC department. I heard something disturbing on the radio tonite I think it was Bob Prisuta talking about him having a conversation with Ben,not sure when.He tried talking to Ben about getting rid of the ball quicker to help pro-long his career.Ben said he wasn't interested in that and that he wants to play every game like it was his last. I don't know about you but I remember the stiffs we used to have at QB and I dont want to go back to those days any sooner than we have to. Ben is in the prime of his career and the biggest crime that BA is committing is enabling him ,cause all he cares about is putting up STATISTICS. So to the kool-aid drinkers, you guys go ahead and keep defending your guy with no rhyme or reason,but don't come crying to the (F.B.A.I) crowd when Bens' career is cut short and our beloved Steelers return to the not-so-glorious days of the past. :FBAI!: :swordsman:

 

Great post. Couldn't agree more. :FBAI!:

 

Thanks for the compliment diehard. I always try to look at the big picture when it comes to the Steelers.Someting else just dawned on me while reading my own post.It's something I knew already but makes more sense now. Look at how much the O has struggled since Ben has been hurt, he can no longer escape the pocket to make something out of nothing.Doesn't that go to show you that the play that was called never had much of a chance to work and now that Bens' improv. ability has been diminished he can't make something out of nothing? When that day comes when Ben can't escape the rush (hopefully the time isn't now) and we have to rely more on the actual play-calling and execution we will really be in trouble. Theoretically any OC worth his weight should be able to make a QB better.Has BA made Ben any better? I don't see it. What I see is when your whole offense is based on Ben being Ben when he isn't quite the big-play escape artist we have grown accustomed to this offense becomes predictable and ineffective. A truly good OC puts a system in place that not only utilizes the strenghths of his QB but also a plan that could make a decent QB effective. ex. (GB,NE,NO,HOU,ATL etc..)His whole philosophy is to ride Bens' coat-tails for as long as Ben is still standing. He said he doesn't want to change him because of some horrible experiment that went wrong in the past. The truth is he can't change him because he isn't smart enough to design an offense from soup to nuts. This is why he has no aspirations to go anywhere else and also why with all the success some claim he has had no one wants to hire him. He would never have success without a QB that is as mobile as Ben is (was) because that would mean he would have to design plays that actually work. The best OCs can and will have jobs for life in this league because they understand offense and how to adapt and change with the times,adjusting and building on their systems. When the day comes that Ben loses most of his improv.skills then we will truly see how bad of an OC he really is,but by then it will be too late.

 

There are three kinds of liars: liars, damn liars, and statisticians. ~Mark Twain