Luck and the Colts with no pressure.

If in a inverted look and you get PA your Safeties continue on with their work. Meaning the 1 who had the TE would read pass and go with him all over the field... The 1 who has the RB can do 1 of 2 things hit the RB and take him out of the play if he can hit him before he gets through the line...I prefer that ,,,,or continue on in coverage against the RB they faked to.....

Is why it gives them a chance to play the run and be in the box more..

 

No, it was a legitimate 7.....the only thing about that last series that was 'garbage time' was our lack of pressure and coverage (in contrast to how we had been playing in much of the rest of the second half). EVERY time we rush 3, I cringe. It's one thing to try and keep the receivers in front of you and not get beat deep.....but if you keep the receiver in front of you 30 yards down the field, guess what..... you're getting beat deep!

 

Gotcha.

That would essentially put everyone in man coverage, right? I don't think many fans are confident in Cortez Allen, right now.

 

I guess it's all in how you look at it. But that's why most people considered the Steelers TD in the last game vs Cleveland a garbage time TD. The team in the lead usually lays off on D a bit so as not to get beat with stupid penalties.

I agree that a team should stay aggressive until the end, though. But this is my understanding and view on "garbage time". Because the Steelers D didn't appear to be as aggressive down the stretch in the 4th quarter. And that seems like a DL thing to do: Bend, don't break. Too bad the offense couldn't post another TD in the 2nd half. That would have sealed the game for the most part.

 

Yeah, I gotcha. Steelers TD I agree with because even an onside kick wouldn't have helped. I understand the bend but don't break in the Texans situation. I just say 84 yards or whatever it was in 45 or so seconds is the very definition of breaking....(granted many of them came on the PI and QB hit). I'm still thinking of the end of the Tampa Bay game as well (clearly NOT garbage time) when we had guys playing SO deep, it was as though we were thinking they had to throw the Hail Mary. Um.....40 seconds left? Not quite desperation time!

 

It was garbage time but the fact of the matter is we were one Michael Palmer recovery from this game being tied up. And I definitely wouldn't trust our defense to stop anybody from driving the ball down field.

 

Bend don't break? We break basically every game. That bend don't break philosophy is down the crapper.

As for garbage time, that is generally when the game is more or less over and the team is just racking up stats. Our game was far from over, and in fact, if they had recovered that onside kick (which they almost did) then we could have easily lost. That is not garbage time, that is one team trailing another team. It was a legitimate 7 points, not a garbage time TD. We weren't playing aggressive because we haven't been playing aggressive all year long.

 

The poster mentioned that if you are drafted in the middle of the first round that you should be great or you will be a bust. Timmons, DeCastro are all very good, but as of right now are not great.

Ben's HOF credentials are up for debate. I don't consider him great. WHen you say great you see Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rogers. If you go back, Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Elway. I don't see Ben in that league. As of right now, I don't think he get's in. If he wins another Super Bowl he will seal the deal. Just my opinion.

 

You're getting a little carried away with the word great. Great doesn't mean HOF material. Ben has clearly been great for us over the years, even though I'm not a fan of his.

 

I agree that our front seven is the biggest issue with our defense. That's why we see Troy in box so often this year, which exposes our lest than stellar secondary even more.

 

My biggest problem with the D is that we play too much cover 3 for my liking. This essentially mans the corners up with the outside receivers that are running out routes, fly patterns, and back shoulder throws (which is why our corners give bigger cushions). It also creates problems with the deep post routes when the corner and the safety have to be on the same page.

Personally I think our front 7 is improving. As soon as we started stopping the run, we saw huge improvement overall. Look at the last game for example. We opened up the game getting gashed by Foster and we gave up 13 straight points. We held him under 3 YPC the next two quarters (I think I saw this stat pop up in-game) and all of the sudden they were in 3rd and long pretty frequently, and we saw some turnovers. Plus we get Shazier and Jones back soon who will be welcome additions to their struggling replacements (minus Spence's second half in Houston). If we manage to hold the oppositions run game in check, we will have a chance to win that week against any opponent left on our schedule.

 

Beating our pass defense is so easy, a caveman can do it.

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This!

 

I would think it would be premature
to think #7 is a lock for the HOF?
Of course just my opinion.

 

Timmons - GOOD
DeCastro - GOOD, but he is still so young there is time for him to become great or elite

Ben - GREAT, somewhere between possibly to probably HOF great

The mentioning of Marino, Elway, Brady, Peyton Manning, etc. is unfair because those are guys who regularly make all time Top 10 even Top 5 lists. No one is saying Ben is in that group, but Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Bob Griese are in the HOF too...Kurt Warner will probably be in soon as well, doesn't that give some credibility to Ben making it?

Keep in mind if Ben stays healthy for 4-5 more years he is going to retire in the Top 10 all time in passing yards, likely QB rating, yards per pass attempt, game winning drives in the 4th quarter, and Touchdown passes + plus he has 2 SB rings. And then the argument comes up well look at the era he has played in as well as Testaverde and Kerry Collins are up there in passing yards too...should be we put them in the Hall? But that argument is ludicrous because their QB ratings as well as their accomplishments as a winning QB are no where in Ben's league. And yes Ben has played in a passing era, but for all the knock on Ben's inconsistencies he has been remarkably consistent. The guy is easily always one of the Top 10 QBs in the league - really more like Top 5, 6, or 7 and it has been that way for basically 7-8 years straight years.

I have my knocks on Ben, I am disappointed that he has never in my view made that leap from being a great athletic, street smart QB to a more cerebral QB like Brady or Manning, but I always hope that people will respect for what he has accomplished in his unconventional way and that in itself it has transformed the game in some ways. I've read somewhere that one of the litmus tests for whether a guy makes the HOF is whether you can tell the history of the game without mentioning the guy - when you think of how Ben has played the position over the last 10 years, I don't see how you could. To me if he puts up 4-5 more good years, I don't see how you can keep the guy out.

 

true the colts are beatable when they make mistakes

 

Well sir you have alot of class to come to the Steelers forum as a Colts fan..

Not likely will the Steelers beat your Colts but as you say if they make mistakes and capitalize on those mistakes then yes the colts are beatable.

 

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Originally Posted by Aerosteel
The problem is not DL, its that the front 7 is not good. I keep reading about the complaints about the secondary, but I think the bigger issue is that the D line and the LB corps are not that good. Other than Timmons, there is not one other above average player on the D line or at linebacker. Not one. Its not a mystery why they don't get enough pressure on the QB - they aren't good enough to beat the man lined up against them.



I agree that our front seven is the biggest issue with our defense. That's why we see Troy in box so often this year, which exposes our lest than stellar secondary even more. ​

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I agree that our front seven is the biggest issue with our defense. That's why we see Troy in box so often this year, which exposes our lest than stellar secondary even more.



My biggest problem with the D is that we play too much cover 3 for my liking. This essentially mans the corners up with the outside receivers that are running out routes, fly patterns, and back shoulder throws (which is why our corners give bigger cushions). It also creates problems with the deep post routes when the corner and the safety have to be on the same page.

Personally I think our front 7 is improving. As soon as we started stopping the run, we saw huge improvement overall. Look at the last game for example. We opened up the game getting gashed by Foster and we gave up 13 straight points. We held him under 3 YPC the next two quarters (I think I saw this stat pop up in-game) and all of the sudden they were in 3rd and long pretty frequently, and we saw some turnovers. Plus we get Shazier and Jones back soon who will be welcome additions to their struggling replacements (minus Spence's second half in Houston). If we manage to hold the oppositions run game in check, we will have a chance to win that week against any opponent left on our schedule.

Luck and the Colts with no pressure.

Badboy291 said: "Gotta say, if this team can't get to him it will be a long day. Luck will dissect us all day, so I for one hope DL has something new for him. I'm not sure at this point if there is a "magic" player set he could find this week. If they blitz him, they have to get to him quickly, and I just don't know where that would come from? Last night I did see some snaps where JW bull rushed his man well into the backfield, but that won't be good enough come Sunday. Anybody see anything else? Any ideas?"​

---This stuff gives me some hope. This plus a play that caught my eye in Monday's game. Can someone explain. The play was the Keisel interception. The question is WHAT was the alignment on the play called. It was one I hardly ever recall seeing.

Pit lined up with 4 players on the LOS. But they were 93 Worilds, 97 Heyward, 99 Keisel and 92 Harrison. No one else near the LOS but 51 Spence and 94 Timmons were the other LB's.

What was shocking was there was no blitz and yet there was heavy pressure on the QB. Now throughout the game I saw 5 and 6 man fronts often. None of these amounted to anything.

Even Worilds was within arms length of the QB. Heyward forced the O lineman into the QB's face and Harrison was right there also. Keisel was pushed back but the pressure forced a quick throw and well everyone saw what happened. But it was clearly the result of the pressure on the QB.

How, I was thinking is this possible? Pit could not get near the QB with numerous alignments previously.

Now I don't pay much attention to these different D sets. But I really could not recall seeing that one before. LOLB DL DL ROLB-----Does this have a name?

Some posters have said McCullers played well. But he was only in for 9 plays and 5 on ST's. How much could he have done?

My point: Apparently there are some players who can play. Heck, even JW who I have been thinking was worthless showed some strength and played pretty good. Some extra effort and focus Sunday and maybe an upset is possible.
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Definitely valid points. And I can agree with most. But 4-5 more years Ben playing at a high level with his uncerebral way of playing football, I don't think he will make it that far. Now don't get me wrong, I hope so, but it also depends on who's around him and do we have an identity by then.

 

If the front 7 is no good, why not just flood the field with DB's make him throw to the middle of the field where he might make a mistake.

As good as Luck is, he is good for a pick or two in games. If our offense can match them score for score, that one mistake could be the difference in the game.

This seems to be how it is for all teams nowadays. Our base 3-4 is going by the wayside. We might as well draft the guys that fit our Nickel the best... Which is a 4-2, I believe. In that kind of formation who needs OLB's? You need bigger DE's and a middle linebacker who can rush or cover (Shazier). It seems to be the next evolution of the Dick Lebeau defense.

 

the best way to beat the colts is to play the wrs tight that way if a pass bounces off a wrs hands its an int. Its the formula the pats have used to get 7 ints off him in two games