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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by BlacknGold40, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. BlacknGold40

    BlacknGold40 Well-Known Member

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    Are the rooneys letting the steelers fall apart like this???? I'm so freaking mad that our Steelers are performing like this. I don't care what anyone says, I miss Cowher. We might of had some bad looses with Cowher,but at least he got f--king mad about it, and the team never looked this lost with him as HC.

    I have been watching the steelers since 1975 and this might have to be the worst they have ever looked. Even in the 1980's we didn't look this confused.

    I seriously would go on a firing rampage. Its not like it would hurt our team any. :facepalm: :facepalm:
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That is precisely why the Rooneys are the best run franchise with the most SB's. They have patience and vision, they know there will be down years.

    I've been a fan for just as long and I remember as bad or worse. Hell, pick just about any year in the 80's. And I'm sorry but Cowhers teams look just as lost when he went through this, there were just as many people calling for his head as there are for Tomlins.

    Everyone needs to relax, the Steelers will rise to the top again, and it won't be long until they do.
     
  3. fanforlife

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    I've been a fan for too long a time to talk about it so I agree with you on the Steelers rising to the top again. I'm afraid it might be three or more years to accomplish that and while that might not be a long time to some people, at 70 that is too long of a time for me.
     
  4. Busman

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    Yeah I am like you.. I don't want to wait that long.. I don't even buy bananas that need ripening anymore lol
     
  5. rukus4ever

    rukus4ever Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you here.

    But we live in a point in history in which people want instant gratification. I can be patient. I can see things getting better little by little. I actually think this team has a shot to make the playoffs. But it will be largely based on what they display in this next stretch of 3 home games.

    I share the frustration by most, but I understand that it's going to take some time to tune the talent the Steelers have.
     
  6. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    You honestly see things getting better??? At best we're treading water, and IMO that is generous. Talent is aging/declining/retiring faster than we can replace it. And with Ike, Troy, and Keisel, reaching the end of the line, and Ben and Heath declining, I just don't see things getting better next year either.
     
  7. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Blast, your unwavering optimism and sunny disposition makes me want to puke. ;)
     
  8. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Didn't Cowher replace a few coordinators on both sides during this time? ;) Didn't we see attempts at changes to coaching, manpower, even schemes?

    Or did Cowher just drone on about obvious standards being standards while staring into space? Obviously.

    And no. Cowher's teams never looked "lost." (Except maybe his last year when seemingly everyone mailed it in). They looked outmatched, yes. But never really did we wonder who these imposters in Steeler uniforms were. Especially not on a season by season basis.
     
  9. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well Blast... I think you're way off base here, but we'll see. I want you to be right, and I want to see the ship righted. However, we just keep spiraling downward, and if Sunday didn't scream POOR COACHING I don't know what would. Cowher had some down years, but his teams those seasons were pretty bereft of talent, especially on offense and the QB position in particular. This team has holes, but there's WAY more talent than recent production would indicate. I'm not delusionally thinking that we have the talent to compete with the top teams, and if we lost by 21 points at Denver I might give the coaches a pass and say "well, they didn't have enough to work with." However, losing by 21 at Cleveland... putting 10 offensive points up at Jacksonville... putting 3 points up before garbage time against a mediocre Browns defense.... Losing to a proven awful Tampa team at home. This team suffers from poor leadership, and I'm not sure how the switch can just be flipped to "on" when it's this bad.
     
  10. sjromano

    sjromano Well-Known Member

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    To be quite honest, I don't think it's really a matter of talent. When I watch this team, it seems to me there is no consistency of will. In days past, even just a few short seasons ago, when one player would have a down day, someone else would step up and ring the bell. That doesn't happen anymore. When Ben is on, they usually win (as long as the D can stay awake for 60 mins). When he's off or makes an early mistake, the offense just seems to implode. Same for D - if someone like Troy makes a splash play successfully, they do well. When they whiff or miss an assignment, the D falls asleep and makes scrapheap QB's like Glennon look like the second coming of Joe Montana.

    I'm not going to get on the 'fire MT' bandwagon, but this does speak to coaching, IMO.
     
  11. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Please put the gun down and slowly back away.

    At the end of the day. This team is in the same or better position then they were last season.

    The Stelers are so Jekyll and Hyde that you have no idea which one will show up Monday Night.

    I was PO'd for a day and a half but then I look at the big picture right now and this team could still make the playoffs. Might not go very far but they are not entirely on life support.
     
  12. FeartheBeard

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    This is the most frustrating thing about the whole debacle to me. NOTHING ever changes. I hear a lot of blah, blah, blah...and then the same thing happens. I think that is why the Browns game pissed me off so much more than the others. I had convinced myself that someone saw there were issues and attempted to address them and we actually watched tape and were PREPARED but, then, the game started and it was the same damn thing. :frustrated:
     
  13. RobVos

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    During Cowhers time, the team lost quite a few coordinators to head coaching positions. We tended to lose a lot of good players to FA too.
     
  14. VA_Black&Gold

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    I feel like both of us just keep repeating ourselves on this one. It nags at me to no end. Couple of interesting and, to me, completely accurate articles today:

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co.../10/12/6967557/steelers-browns-recap-analysis

    "They'll work on it, though. They'll watch the film, as DK pointed out. They'll do all the things a team should do to improve, although none of that will put a W back in the respective column last week. There's only the notion of improving for the future.

    We've been hearing that ever since the whipping this team took in Week 1 of 2011. And 2012. And 2013. And some of of 2014. The rhetoric now rings hollow and we're left with nothing more than a team mastering their cliche post-game interviews than mastering technique."

    http://dkonpittsburghsports.com/2014/10/12/column-will-take-ben-pipe/

    "Tomlin didn’t exactly stir things up, either. After the obligatory praising of an opponent Roethlisberger had beaten in 18 of their first 19 meetings, he opened with this: “We didn’t do the job today. That’s the reality of it. We didn’t produce points that reflected the way we possessed the ball and the yards that we gathered.”

    Oh, no. Not that again. This is akin to bragging about doing a great job of flying the plane except for that whole landing deal at the end.

    Tomlin would later add, “It is what it is,” which it actually is."
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well by all means, Jack, jump off the bridge, there will be another doom and gloom to take your place before you hit bottom ;)

    We changed OC's, did we not? Unfortunately they chose poorly. They may even make another change. As for Cowhers teams, people remember what they want to but regardless of how he lost and how we are losing now, it's still losing, damn well sure no style points for losing.

    About what? Rising to the top? Do you really see this franchise wallowing in muck for a decade? You think we'll be the Browns? I have total faith in the Rooneys, they have gone through this before and have always come back out on top. And I don't think it will be that long, should start seeing significantly better play next season.
     
  16. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I've been trying for a few seasons now but you keep pulling me back from the edge with your incessant optimism, dang your hide!
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :lolol:

    I just don't want you to miss the return to glory :steelflag:
     
  18. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    No, I don't see us becoming the Browns yet - at least not until Ben is gone. Under the current regime, I see us continuing to be marginally relevant for parts of seasons on a regular basis, but not a really good team. For as long as Ben is here, we'll get good enough QB play to win a handful of games and not sink to the depths. Fear us. We're the mighty, marginally relevant Steelers. Like... roar or something...

    Sorry Blast, but this past weekend was the final straw for me. Being utterly humiliated by the Browns is the lowest that this franchise has sunk to since the 80's. It's a kick in the teeth, and it's obvious that our coaching staff has no answers. Cowher and Ward were right - this team is soft. That's coaching. Do you really think the Browns' roster is 28 points better than the Steelers' roster? Is Tampa's roster that gave up 56 to Atlanta and 35 in the first 16 minutes to Baltimore better than our roster? Our coaching staff is getting worked over by their counterparts every bit as badly as our players are getting worked over on the field. I think it's indisputable.

    I'm frustrated because I see Ben's final few years being frittered away. Very soon we'll be in the hit or miss market for a legit starting NFL QB, and if we don't have a solid, well-led football team by then, well... then maybe we will sink to the Browns' level for a while.

    As I've said in another thread, I wouldn't touch the coaching staff until the end of the season. They have the opportunity to fix this, and I hope they do. However, I can't see it happening after what we've seen these past few years. It's enough to make me reconsider my stance on defending Tomlin against assertions that he only won because he had Cowher's team.
     
  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think that's more indicative to whats going on around the league then us. I'm in a couple of pools and I can't get a handle on teams this year, they kick somebody's butt one week and get their butt kicked the following week, it's strange.

    It's unfortunate we are going though this at this point in Bens career, I still think we'll get a few good seasons out of him by the time we fix this, which obviously I believe we will.
     
  20. SteelerJJ

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    The loss to the Browns stunk but was it really much worse than 2002 when the Steelers gave up 47 total yards to the expansion Texans and still lost at home 24-6?
     
  21. contract

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    :this!:
     
  22. Steelcop

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    What I have seen over the last three seasons is lack of discipline and desire. We turn it on at the end but we take the first half off and that is my point exactly. We have a franchise QB a good OL very good and possibly great rb's. We have a lot of talent but it isn't being used consistently. I blame the players for not being proactive and the coaches for failing to hold them to the fire. We could be great but instead we are bipolar good one game and crapy the next, that is a discipline issue. I'm not mad that we didn't beat the brownies we just gave up when it got hard and that is my point.
     
  23. Steelcop

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    I have more faith in the members on this blog than I do with our leadership on the team. That includes very different opinions here and I read and value them all!
     
  24. Iowasteeljim

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    I wont argue either position people are taking on the coaching staff other than to say I'm not pleased. All this coaching discussion has made me think more about the team leadership. I think we have lost a significant amount of field leadership on this team over the last couple of years. Even when we bring players back they are not the same kind of leader they were their first go around. It makes me wonder if the leadership we had on the field was so strong that it made up for a lack of coaching and now that we have lost some of those strong leaders the coaching problems are more apparent? Something to think about...like we need more things to reflect on about this team right now!
     

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