Tomlin the player coach

I was listening a lot to Pittsburgh sports radio yesterday and most of them were fairly critical of the pass to Antonio Brown to keep his 5 catch/50 yard record alive at the end of the game. Granted - it worked, but if somehow that would have been picked and the Jags would have converted the 2pt conversion and won in OT we all on this board would have been livid.

This is where I am very confused about the way Tomlin thinks. I do understand the respect for AB and the hard work he puts in but (1) let's face it - this record is not going to be up there in the echelon of NFL records like most catches or TDs and (2) the possibility of a disaster there is still possible...I wouldn't mind going for the record if they were up by a couple of scores like the Broncos were against Arizona when Manning padded his record, but they weren't

So why would Tomlin allow for that? This is the stuff where I ask is he too much of a buddy w/his players...and more likely certain players.

Also, I agree he needed to speak with Lance Moore about the ball spiking, but a little context here. Lance Moore makes his 1st catch of the year, he is somewhat frustrated he hasn't been involved in the offense and he blows off some steam. It was wrong, but at least Moore's reaction was more spur of the moment, it wasn't planned like some of AB's charades where he doesn't get disciplined at all. But Tomlin totally chewed his ass out.

It's just another example of how inconsistent Tomlin seems to be when it comes to player management.

 

Wasn't it Ben that called the play, though?

 

Ben made the call .Coach T could care less about Brown's record or any other player for that matter ...

 

It's even lower risk to take a kneel down.

 

What the heck good are records if Browns was a set up, besides it's a team game not an individual game, although wide receivers do look for glory. So no I do not agree with it, as it could have turned into something bad for the team.

 

Listened to Tomlin's pressed today, he took the party line and defiantly defended the play. But I'm betting he doesn't do anything similar anytime soon.

But I will say this: if Tomlin doesn't like be considered a players coach (though I don't see how that's an insult), he shouldn't

A) indulge his players petty pursuits of dubious 'records' when the game is still on the line
B) Post selfies of himself and returning retired players on Twitter

when you do this stuff, people might think you're a player coach.

 

All this talk is ridiculous. Running the ball has a risk too of fumbling, just ask Bettis during the Steelers-Colts game in 2004....

A low risk pass play is a great call there to pick up the first down and win the game, instead of running, getting stuffed, and punting like they did the previous week against the Bucs.

All this Tomlin/Ben criticism for calling the pass play is simply coming from the same "fans" who hate them. Time to move on to the Browns. Get over it.

 

Amen, agree

 

is it player coach?
or players coach?

he was a player and now a coach player coach

he doesn't rule with an iron fist and interacts with the players players coach

and why is it coach and not manager like in baseball
and why can't it be a coach who is a player at the same time
and..
well,

to me Tomlin's a bad MOFO

no problem here with the call glad it worked .

 

Fans just looking for another reason to pile on.

 

How the @#$% is it inconsistent when they just spent the last week practicing with refs in order to keep the pre and post snap penalties down? Moore is a vet he knows better. His antics whether out of frustration or not hurt the team in a close game. Tomlin had every reason to chew his ass out and probably should have benched him for the rest of the game instead of a single play.

 

I don't understand why this is such a big deal, every single coach does it. Sean Peyton threw out the run when Brees needed 200+ yards passing to break the single season record, the Colts coach, Dungy, had Manning pass for a TD while on the 2 yard line so he could break the most TDs in a single season record. I thought that people would complain about the pass to Heath because it was a similar situation and how many would have complained if they ran it and Blount or Bell ended up hurt and out for the season or a fumble happened? I'm glad they got a first down and that they didn't have to punt and I'm ok with padding stats if it helps in a situation and it did help.

 

I just wonder if he would have chewed Antonio Brown or Bell the same way he chewed out Moore.

 

I would say the single season passing record is a little more prestigious than the 5 catches for 50 yards streak...what about the 6 catches for 60 yards streak. Also, what was the score of that game with Brees.

Also - a little admission on my lack of knowledge of the complete game situation. It was run at 2 minutes with Jax having not timeouts. If Ben kneels down three straight times, the clock is probably milked to about 15 or 20 seconds. If you then punt (which could be blocked or returned) Jacksonville probably has somewhere between 7 and 15 seconds left, enough time for 2 maybe 3 plays. Taking that all into account, I think it makes the play more understandable. I originally thought that 3 kneel downs would have run out the clock, but I don't think it would have.

 

I was all for it. No problem with them getting Hines his 1000th catch years ago either.

 

Well then TTF - now that you mention that I am back to it was complete BS.

 

It's actually just another semi-meaningless record in a myriad of modern statistical overload. I mean - who holds the record for at least 6 catches for at least 60 yds per game? Who cares? The team did it for Hines Ward a few years back so he'd get his 1000 catches and well over 12,000 yds to finish his career but that was a bit different and was an attempt to try and get him some HOF consideration someday but probably not likely. Unfortunately his last catch was for no gain as I recall.