The one thing about Tomlin...

The Steelers have enough talent to win...NOW! They've got a franchise quarterback and enough offensive weapons surrounding him who should be capable of producing more than .500 seasons. They've got first and second round draft picks throughout their defense that can't seem to get a sack or produce a turnover. The OC and DC are culpable here, I'm not denying that, but Mike Tomlin is the HEAD COACH and he's responsible for coordinating the coordinators and building a winning franchise! Right now, the building is crumbling under his nose!!

 

Can you read? I said Pro Bowl level talent Wheaton, Shamarko, Shazier, Worilds these guys haven't proven a damn over a whole season. I'm not saying they don't have some talent a lot of it is young unproven guys, some are past their prime Heath, Troy, and maybe Timmons from the way he's playing this season.

 

Talent wins in this league, and Colbert is responsible for putting together the roster. If you look at the Giants they're in the same position as the Steelers two teams that won 2 Super Bowls recently with franchise QBs, now a lot of the older players are gone they have to rebuild. And they don't have enough talent on defense, on offense they have enough to win some games.

 

So what's Tomlin's role in this, rule?? It never ceases to amaze me at the lengths people go to to keep from putting ANY of the blame on Tomlin. It's always something else, the players, the OC, the DC, the GM, injuries, the talent, etc, etc, etc!!! All of the above has played into the Steelers' suckiness the last few years, but Tomlin is at the helm of the ship and he's the MOST RESPONSIBLE!

 

I submitted a post with 3 links and questions... Where you at?

 

I submitted a post with 3 links and questions... Where you at?

 

LOL! Don't see it rukus. I'll be there if you'll give me some directions.

Edit: Name of post???

 

I also found this...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1666834-a-detailed-list-of-an-nfl-coachs-responsibility

Let's nail this down so we can fairly and objectively talk about what's up with Tomlin. I like him as a coach, but I do have my concerns about the team. Since there seems to be questions about what his responsibilities are, I looked for a place to start determining exactly what that looks like.

 

Here's the post #21
#21

 

i didn't see it but anyway they have to find a way to make a player accountable to his poor performing otherway they will keep sucking

 

the first 3 are special .. the others you can find bunch of them in any nfl team in the league .

 

Interesting article and a good overview of what a head coach's responsibilities look like. IMHO, Tomlin's biggest deficiency is this:

Game planning

Implementing whatever he (and his staff) learned from the preceding game is only part of getting ready for the next week.

The coach will also look at the last game or two of the team's upcoming opponent.

It's his job to use all of that information. He must work with his assistant coaches, and both his offensive and defensive coordinator to come up with a way to beat the next team.

Again, some coaches will listen more to their subordinates, while others will do most of the heavy lifting themselves.

This is an ongoing process for teams. Yes, they have a day to install a game plan (usually Wednesday or Thursday), but ultimately they'll tweak it right up until game time based on player injuries, how their team is executing and even things like weather.

I could point out a few other things from the article that Tomlin may be deficient in, but I think game planning is far and away his weakest attribute. I think he gets outcoached and outsmarted on too many occasions by the better head coaches in the game. How many times have we as fans come out of a game with the feeling that the Steelers had no rhyme nor reason to what they were trying to accomplish and that they simply looked unprepared and not ready to play football? Remember the San Diego game? The Miami game? The Oakland game(s)? The (fill in the blank) game? The hallmark of Tomlin's tenure seems to be that his teams are lethargic. They come out of the gate slowly in too many games while the competition jumps on them early and just doesn't let up. The team, and Tomlin, develop that "deer in the headlights" look and can never quite recover. I'd be happy for Tomlin to prove me wrong over the course of this season and the next few, but I'm increasingly doubting his ability to get the most out of the Pittsburgh Steelers!

 

i sure wish they could get gilbert to play angry. the guy is a mountain but plays an underwhelming soft type game. i'd love to see him mad and manhandle some people. sure would like to see some aggression out of him.

 

i like all of them add heiward and de castro , but i don't see any of them at probowl level (right now), anyway we need more game changer on defense

 

I guess the same lack of attention to detail and game planning could be said about Cowher. Cowher had bad seasons and it took him along time to become a champion. So does this mean when Cowher did finally win a SB he did so because he got better a coach or was it because he finally amassed enough talent to win?

 

Finally, somebody talking some sense.

 

Cowher had his faults, no doubt about that. He finally won a Super Bowl when he had a franchise quarterback leading the offense. Ben carried the team to that Super Bowl throughout the playoffs even though he didn't play well in the big game itself. Tomlin can't produce a winning season with Ben supposedly in his prime.

 

What's this? Another thread bashing Tomlin, didn't see that coming!

 

The Steelers win, it's all about the great job Tomlin is doing. The Steelers loose, and the blame shifts to everyone else. Take the microphone away from Tomlin and he is average at best. What you have seen for the past 3 years and what your seeing and will continue to see is Tomlin football at it's best. Those who were quick to point out the success Tomlin had with the team Cowher built and left have been quieted by the team Tomlin has put on the field.

 

No! It's another intelligent conversation about why or why not we believe Tomln is a good coach and is the right coach for this football team. Want to join?

I'm not into "bashing" anybody and I've tried not to do that even though you've accused me of that multiple times now. I've tried to lay out the reasons I don't believe Tomlin is a top tier head coach based on conclusions I've reached over the last few years of listening, observing and reading. I follow the Steelers as closely as you do and I don't believe any coach is bigger than this storied franchise, not Tomlin and not even the great and powerful Dick LeBeau who ceased to be effective about three years ago.

I really wish you'd join in with your own well reasoned comments rather than making snide remarks about "another thread bashing Tomlin"! I certainly don't mind when people disagree with me on this, but tell me why rather than just criticizing the thread.

 

I have Joined in Jack, like two years ago and I've moved on from it.
Whether you want to admit it or not these threads are redundant.

 

But, Glenn, the fact of the matter is that these threads aren't going anywhere as long as Tomlin keeps producing .500 seasons and keeps putting a flawed product on the field. You've got to understand that TTF has given all of us a wonderful place to come and vent when we're frustrated over losing and celebrate when we're playing winning football.