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Should LeBeau be on the hot seat?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Sep 12, 2014.

  1. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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  2. Busman

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    This is crucial. Dont Give them but take them

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  3. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    this is what has JP worried?
    talk in third person much?
    why even at all?

    how long have you been writing?
    maybe this should be your last article?
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I don't know how anyone was blaming Haley 3 years ago, but...every coach should be on the hot seat.
     
  5. freakfontana

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    if they keep playing like yesterday , he will retyre
     
  6. Busman

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    cause he is a retread lol. Sorry could not resist
     
  7. SteelerFan

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    DL can only work with the talent he has on the team. From my observation Ike is done, Troy is not Troy of past, Jarvis is not stepping up to the NFL level for his draft pick, Timmons is to slow, Cortez Allen is at best a back up with a big contract, we had to bring back Keisel a 13 year vet. It is a talent evaluation issue to get the right people in the system.
     
  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I'm talking about since Haley got here fans have been calling for him to get fired, like the article mentioned. When Ben and Haley supposedly weren't getting along his first year here, the Steelers fans on Facebook that's all they talk about is get rid of Haley.
     
  9. lewisha

    lewisha Well-Known Member

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    Agree but disagree. If you don't have the talent to fit the system, adapt the system for the talent you have.
     
  10. SteelerJJ

    SteelerJJ Well-Known Member

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    Good point. The West Coast offense started that way. Bill Walsh ran an Al Davis vertical game but when his QB got hurt and he had to go with Virgil Carter (fast but not a strong arm) he shortened the routes. Sometimes you've gotta improvise.
     
  11. WWW

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    Yes, he hasn't been creative using the talent he has (or lack of).
    Missed tackles, penalties and dropped interceptions are not Coach LeBeau's fault. And one of those going the other way makes a huge difference in one game.

    Too early this season to say make a statement like that over a Coach with that resume. IMO, writer is looking for headlights.
    Coach T isn't going to fire any of them (Both, Haley and LeBeau, and also Muchak are high profile coaches, and won't be fire mid-season, for sure).
     
  12. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    I don't see why we have to pick and choose between them.
     
  13. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Lets see how the season plays out,
    As someone else mentioned, all coaches
    should be on the HOT seat. Lets not end there,
    what about KC? Him and MT bring the talent in
    have you in the last 5 years seen positive player development? Gilbert, Adams, Others come and gone, Spaeth Paulson,Hood,Allen Golden. C'mon
    people time to realize something is not right here.When do you pull the plug on these phonies?
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I was very critical last week about how horridly prepared we looked against the up-tempo offense that Cleveland went to in the 2nd half; a confused, dazed, deer in the headlights kind of performance that looked just like the preseason game against Philly and the 55 point debacle against New England last season. Since the Ravens didn't go up tempo, we have no idea if DL came up with a way to counter that. In my view, the DL scheme has been a disaster against up tempo thus far, and while it's not the only problem, it exacerbates the poor defensive fundamentals and lack of physicality.

    This week, I didn't see scheme and execution playing as much of a role as just flat out poor physicality and fundamentals (with a few notable exceptions like the inability to account for a TE near the goal line). If you cast aside the stats and focus on the plays, poor physical play by the players was pretty much the death knell on both sides of the football. I think scheme contributed a bit, but no scheme is 100% perfect against an offense that executes well.

    That said, I do think that on the balance DL's scheme is a bit tired, and is less effective against some of the newer offensive schemes that we're seeing. It's also been figured out by the coaches and quality QBs who have seen it enough. But to my eyes that wasn't on display against the Ravens. It would have worked fine (as in < 17 points allowed) if the front 7 (mostly the front 3) had played decently. Also, I'm not ready to give the offense a pass. 6 points against the OK, but not great Ravens' defense is unacceptable with our offensive weapons. Our offensive ineptitude put the defense on the field way too much. A big boo here to the O-line, especially Gilbert who should be refunding his salary straight to Ben's future medical expense fund.
     
  15. GravelGod

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    Ever since Tomlin has taken the Steelers down the path of self destruction, he has escaped accountability in any way shape or form from the national or local media and fans. Everyone else is the cause for the decline of our beloved Steelers, first Ariens, then Healy, now Lebue, no mention of the root cause as the real mastermind in this mess Tomlin. Time to wake up and put the real blame in the lap of where it lies. TOMLIN.
     
  16. darcrav

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    can we include for this season so far
    the death of Knoll?
     
  17. steelers5859

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    Everyone says DL needs to change his scheme.

    What is he going to change it to? You just can't change it during the season. I think people don't realize how much time it takes to revamp your entire defensive scheme. You might be able to make some subtle changes here and there but his scheme is already confusing, now you are talking about changing it.

    If he was going to make changes he might of did it during the offseason or training camp.
     
  18. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    From the article: The past 34 games have been a major indicator that LeBeau's defense isn't confusing NFL offenses anymore.

    :this!:
     
  19. BobbyBiz

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    I think it's partly that his scheme doesn't fool anyone anymore, and it's partly talent. If the team has missed on some picks and made some bad decisions and he's left with substandard players, then Im not sure how much you can blame him.
     
  20. JackAttack 5958

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    I heard something interesting on NFL Network this morning and it seems to fit here. It was said that a good coordinator adapts his defense to fit his players. I happen to think we have some pretty good players on defense but we may be trying to fit square pegs into round holes. JJ may be a good player but you can't make him Silverback. He can't cut the corner with 45 degree leverage. Cam Heyward is a talented DL as is Steve McClendon but you can't turn them into Aaron Smith and Big Snack. I think McClendon's athletic ability is being under-utilized at NT. Shazier is not Farrior. Mitchell is not Clark. Worilds is not Woodley. It just seems to me that DL is determined to make the players fit his scheme and he's been inflexible when it comes to making tweaks along the way. Thoughts?
     
  21. Jim90

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    It looks like the only adjustment made was on offence, until bonehead Ben went back to playing stupid and got drilled a few times for it. At least Haley is trying , the rest of them look like zombies.
     
  22. SteelerJJ

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    One stat that stands out that needs to be fixed.

    Fewest takeaways since 2011




    1. Steelers - 55
    2. Colts - 58
    3. Dolphins - 61
     

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