coach munchak

from all accounts i've read, it appears that munchak is working with each of our linemen individually, catering his approach to each players strength and ability... this kind of personal approach is very rare and makes me wonder why so many other positional coaches stubbornly try to fit square pegs into round holes...... reminds me of just how lucky we really were to land him..... I can only hope that our other positional coaches adopt the same mentality

 

100000000% agree.. to me he was our #1 FA pick up in the off season.. no doubt in the world

HINES

 

At the risk of agreeing with you Hines... I agree completely. It's not just the technical prowess Munchak brings, it's the aura of the name as well. And I think that's what underlies his approach to coaching that bngpatrol is talking about.

 

This just brings up a few things we may see differently this year. The last few years all we heard was position flexibility, not solid technique and execution. Also, we're hearing about the RB coach and him getting on the same page. I'm really excited that we're finally hearing about the coaches working together on execution and expectations.

 

I love munch as our coach first off, but I think people are getting ahead of themselves on this. he was the head coach of tenn. not the line coach the last couple of years. bruce Matthews was the line coach for them. a teammate of munch and a pro bowler in his own rite.

it still takes good players and players that fit together for what we want to accomplish. we have had a modge-podge of different styles for way to long. munch could help those guys individually but do they fit what we want to do as an offense together? I keep hearing, well he's a good run blocker, well 65% of our offense is passing.

too many think munch will wave a magic wand and all these players will become great players and they will now instantly mesh when they really haven't before this it seems. we seem to blame everything on our coach that was fired last year, but in fact we had a good line coach here before that, and things were not much better then, with many of these same players. we still average 40+ sacks a year and we haven't really run the football well in a few years.

now we are handing out contracts to the same players, that might not be as good as some others that played in their place or we have someone cheaper and as good behind them. we have seen more than our fair share of sub par performances from these guys and I'm just not sure munch has the ability to change much with what he has to work with.

tying ourselves into these players or sub par o-linemen has bit us in the butt before and it looks like it may continue. we have no idea what munch can do with these guys yet, but everyone is thinking he will make them a pro bowl line. I'm going to take a wait and see first. I'm not crazy about the signings and drafting we have done up until this year for what we have seen on the field. we need to get our tackles figured out before we spend a large amount on them.

we still also don't know how pounce will be able to perform yet either but we signed him anyway. now comes gilbert.
next year we have two guys to deal with and one of them may be better than the starter we have on the right that is up for an extension. the worst part is he's already lost his job on the left and the guy that starts now will be the other guy up for an extension with him. the backup that took his job is also making less as the starter.

I'm just warning you all that one coach may not be the end all with this unit. tread cautiously with what munch can do and how much they improve.

front office , please don't be hasty in these signings, because we just don't know yet.

 

I sure hope that's what that meant. I'm also hoping Adams has made some big improvements for this season. I'm not ready to give up on the big guy yet. Gilbert is the one that I think needs to show he can play at a high level consistently this season or imo it's time to let him walk.

 

Everywhere he goes, Shanahan has a great running game. It really doesn't matter who he has on the Oline, he can run the ball very effectively. Belichek is the same way.

Coaching matters a great deal. All the talent in the world will be wasted with subpar coaching, and average talent can produce at a high level with top notch coaching. Munchak is a good coach that knows how to run the ball, I just worry that it's Tomlin's system holding everything back, considering our Oline has been pretty bad ever since he came to town.

 

why even draft a player if you thought these were the guys with talent? munch isn't the only capable o-line coach in the country. these guys have been coached at the highest level since they left HS.

you can either play in this league or you can't. does this mean adams and gilbert can only play well when munchak is their coach? he's the only guy capable of seeing this hidden talent that Colbert saw when drafting them? does it mean he's the only guy that can get them to play properly and it's not more their talent level? c'mon.

they surely weren't going to let munch just have full reign of the draft to pick who he wanted, so the 5th rd. may be the best he could get. colberts picked all these guys before that and lets face it, it hasn't been all that great to date. when a late 7th rounder starts at an important position as LT over your 2 second round picks, there is more than a coaching problem going on.

as for pounce, he didn't perform all the drills at OTA's for a reason. no he's not 100%.

 

I totally disagree with your second paragraph. There are definitely guys capable of playing in the league that didn't pan out for one reason or another (wrong scheme, system, never given proper opportunity, etc.). A guy like Kordell Stewart could've thrived if used like Kaepernick, but he was handcuffed by the offensive scheme that limited his talents. He certainly was good enough to play in the NFL and flamed out. This is just one example, there are an endless amount of others.


It doesn't take a HoF coach always, but the RIGHT coach for that certain player. Hopefully Munch is the right guy to unlock the talent that Adams and Gilbert have (it is certainly there). As for 7th rounders out performing 2nd rounders, sometimes you just get gems. Richard Sherman has outperformed every pick from every round since he's been drafted at his position, and he was a 5th rounder. It doesn't make average corners drafted ahead of him "talentless". I see that as a positive for Beach instead of a knock on Adams/Gilbert.


Im not saying Gilbert and Adams are superstars, but Gilbert has been a decently average starter since he's been drafted, and Adams is still too young to judge. Munch may not be able to turn either into superstars (or even make them better at all), but there is definitely a reason to be optimistic that he can significantly improve their games.

 

as much as you hate gilbert, you've got to admit that i've been even harder on him.......... that said, even i can see the improvements he's made....and yes, the right coach can make a world of difference.... stories of players that were about to wash out, or were just mediocre only to become great players and sometimes elite when the right coach come in are all over the league...........
Vernon davis was about to get the bust label until mike singletary lit a fire under him... he may not have been good for the whole team, but he did wonders with one player, and while i'm on the 49ers, just look at the transformation harbaugh brought about in alex smith before they gave him to the chiefs
trent green would've been nothing if not for dick vermeil
do i even need to point out the job that carnell lake has done with the secondary???
and no, i'm not ready to anoint gilbert or adams anytime soon, I do believe that munchak's approach to coaching will make a huge difference..... I do believe that the line can and will be more than the sum of it's parts..... there is talent here that with the right guidance can be a team strength.

oh yeah.......... let's not even touch on the subject of the late 7th rounder on a team that had an undrafted free agent win dpoy

 

well I guess I'm wrong. give gilbert a gazillion dollars.

 

I agree with this too. Hopefully the line can finally come together this year.

 

WOW you and blast both agreeing with me in the same week... maybe you guys are starting to see the light .. lol.. sorry couldnt help that.. yeah a draft pick is one player but the coach can mold an entire 5 man line .. and he will !!!

HINES

 

hey hey now cant we all just get along? OMGGGGGGGG did i say that... hahah .. if i ever become the peacemaker here we might as well shut this baby down hahah

HINES

 

how in the world did you get coaching doesn't matter out of what I've said here? I never once stated that BF. yes he was a HOF PLAYER. he can't play for them. ( well maybe he can, he is around my age. yea we still got it but for just not as long before we need a nap.) coaching does matter but so does the players he's coaching.

if a player has slow feet and slow change of direction, the best coach in the world isn't going to make them faster. he's not going to make foster able to catch a LB running across the field just because he's a good coach. I'm saying it takes the players that are able to do what munch expects. what the system he's coaching requires.

it's not all technique that is getting our QB sacked 45 times a year. it's the players abilities. that's why I'm saying be cautious of what munch is able to do with our starting lineup.

as far as beachum is concerned, no he's not a prototypical size for a LT. he was able to do it for 3 years in college and now nearly a year in the pros though. that's still something adams and gilbert, the right size guys, haven't been able to accomplish yet. munch should however be able to help his game though, because he does possess the footwork and have the arm length near adams. let's not forget smart as a whip too.

I just think it's a premature waste of money and cap space to give gilbert a 5 mil. dollar contract this season. the guys with the athletic ability should be the guys munch helps the most. I'm seeing the top 3 guys he could help the fastest and the most as Johnson, beachum and DD. all have the smarts, and athletic ability to do many things well. pouncey is athletic also. we will have to see if there is any drop off of him still rehabbing the knee when the pads go on. it's still early in his process.

b&g I know good coaching helps, that's not what I'm saying. as for your example of carnell's coaching ability. yes it helps those with the ability. let's not forget when there were some injuries last year and he didn't have the most athletic guys playing it looked pretty plain too. coaching only goes so far. if you don't have the right hoss's that are able to do what you are coaching, it's not going to show.

I'm very sure munch can make them all individually better, but is it as good as we want certain players to be? and are such players worth giving that big contract to, before we know what they can do with his coaching. are the players behind such a player going to be just as good, if not better by next year. it's not just about this year. only for gilberts contract.

how does it make good sense to lock a player in (gilbert) when even with munchaks coaching may not be the starter by preseason or mid season? maybe he becomes that guy under munch, but we have to see that play out of him before we lock him in. then the question is is that improvement enough of one to keep #7 on the field and our run game hopping. or will we see another guy improve more as the year goes on and can take that spot at a higher level by next year. too much unknown at this point. all we have to go on is their past playing time under 3 other o-line coaches.

 

most of his excitement was around pouncey and DD. his pick is his Johnson. yes all of them are all at the age of getting it. it doesn't mean they all will. he didn't come out and say he came here because of adams, gilbert, whimper, foster and beachum.

yes they have all had good coaching since HS. maybe even in HS. I just find it hard to believe that no other coach can get whats deep inside of them as far as talent and technique out of them up until munch. or at least have tried, especially out of the big 10, pac 12, SEC and pros so far. there are some pretty good coaches at that level.

no coach is going to make them faster and stronger at this point before the season starts. he can help with some footwork as far as stepping, not lunging, tendencies, hand placement, blitz pickup, trading off and maybe a few tricks of the trade, but he can't make those parts move faster or stronger. I'm sure they have been coached about everything I mentioned in the past too. it's not like any other coach doesn't know these things. he won't be on the field with them. I'm just saying I wouldn't expect he's going to make who we have all HOF'ers like him in camp.