Worilds contract extension

Per Gerry Dulac he said to expect it to get done after June 1st, maybe it has something to do with the 8 million in savings from releasing Woodley. Also I saw this the Steelers were bargain hunters in free agency they only committed something like 8 million in guaranteed money in signing those 7 free agents from other teams.

 

I wouldnt think they'd have to wait until then...as an extension would/should lower this years number and free up more space now...they shouldnt need more space to extend him. Hope they don't overpay they cant get in another Woodley situation.

I thought they did well with the guaranteed money they gave out...low risk...high reward potential.

 

I just hope they don't over pay. Hold tight
Steelers, not enough shown to warrant a
big contract. If he doesn't like it let him walk.

 

I have been against the transition tag from the beginning.

It reminds me too much of the Max Starks situation, which was a complete cluster f for the front office.

There is no reason for Worilds to sign a team friendly deal. None. He is guaranteed $9.5 million AND playing time AND another shot at free agency and a big signing bonus in 2015. The transition tag set the bar too high for what price we were prepared to sign him for long term. Why should he sign a long term deal? 5 or 6 years that puts him at 32 years old?

Just like Starks, he can wait it out and probably get FRANCHISE tagged next year by the steelers because we have no options at OLB. We are all-in with Worilds, just like we were all-in with Starks. We had no backup plan (literally).

Honestly, what's the difference had we offered Worilds a decent, fair long term deal (I proposed 6-years, $43 million) and let him take it or leave it? We could have kept Woodley as a one-year rental, just like Worilds (for less cap money), and actually been in a BETTER position in 2015 (because Woodley, however overpaid, would at least be under contract). Has Worilds really shown he's so much more healthy than Woodley? And from what PFF and other rating sites say, Woodley (when he plays) actually is BETTER than Worilds.

It made no sense, just like it made no sense to release Woodley before June 1st.

It's a very simple message to Worilds. You sign the 6-year, $43 million deal, we keep you and THEN release Woodley. You think the grass is greener somewhere else, go for it. Putting the transition tag AND release Woodley now did nothing but put all the chips at the negotiating table on Worilds side of the table.

When we did that with Max Starks, Starks ended up fleecing this organization for $22 million over three years (which is an INSANE amount of money to pay his level of play). By the time this is all played out in 2015 or 2016, I expect a very similar type of scenario with Worilds (probably $30+ million in cash over 2014 to 2016 for very average OLB play).

 

Agree completely about the transition tag. It instantly reminded me of the Starks fiasco too. I'm not sure why they couldn't have gone for a fair contract like the one you suggest, and then transitioned him if he said no. Is that possible? Would that have run a risk that he'd go sign with another team before they had a chance? Or maybe it did happen and we don't know? The only thing that soothes me is the knowledge that all the guys doing this are the same guys that did it with Starks, and clearly they're not SO stupid that they're making the exact same mistake, and they must have a plan I don't know about... raying:

However, I'm more optimistic on Worilds as a player. To me, the big difference between Starks and Worilds is that Starks was a literally a backup at the time and not even much of a starter. I've been rewatching some of the late games last year, and Worilds really does look like the real deal to me. It may be late, and it may be only on one side, but he looked legit. I think the FO agrees, and is desperate to get back to the times of having two dominant OLBs, which we really haven't had since Harrison and Woodley were both healthy at the same time (I can't even remember). I think the Steelers are correct to consider LaMarr's health a bigger risk than Worilds fizzling out.

My guess is we end up overpaying Worilds, but he does work out as a player, and overpaying him is something we just have to live with. Not ideal, but at least we'll have our starting OLB situation settled. I suppose they are willing to sacrifice the extra money for a little certainty.

 

I disagree what if Worilds has a bad season and gets injured or something then he won't be able to command a big contract, he better strike while the iron is hot.

 

Thought about starting a new thread but I think this fits in here really well. I read yesterday that the Titans asked Kamerion Wimbley to take a pay cut and if he didnt agree that they could look to cut him since they had signed the more productive Sean Philips. Now I know many of you are reluctant to bring Harrison back for depth so perhaps Wimbley if cut could provide something of a push for Worilds if he thinks he doesn't have to settle for whatever the FO offers him.

 

i think the plan before the season was keeping woodley and let worilds go , then worilds played well for the first time and woodley prove is not a player anymore .now we are stuck to paying worilds ten milion and eat woodley 13 milion in two years . it's a bad luck

 

The key to that type of money was getting the 6th year. Having any extra year let's you prorate restructures even further into the future, which allows a lot of creative math when you get into the 3rd and 4th year to make decisions.

I think my guarantees were only the money in the 1st two seasons: $18 million or something like that. Probably $11 million in pocket this year, then guarantee a $7 million salary (which can be easily restructured) next year. So you have $25 million spread out over the final 4 seasons like $5, $6, $7, $7 or something like that.

I think those will be very team-friendly salaries if Worilds becomes a 16 game starter and produces at a consistent level. If not, you can get out of the deal pretty easy in 2016 or 2017.

 

but starks saved our season.

 

I would take Wimbley over Harrison but the Steelers don't have any cap space right now.

 

Yeah, it was a good thing we had him when Smith went down half-way through the season. Keeping him was never a bad idea... But you can't tell me that $7M per season for a guy to sit on the bench is a good deal. They butchered it. It wound up being about $1M per start, and if Smith hadn't been hurt it would have been more like $1M per play.

 

you of all people know I didn't like starks from the start. it really shouldn't have come to him having to play for smith. smith should have been replaced the prior year when we knew starks wasn't the answer, nor was smith anymore. again we hung on to players to long without a good plan going forward and the over signing of average or below average players. especially on the O-line because it's still not totally fixed yet under kev.

 

And you wonder why I feel like I do
about KC/MT. People we can do better,we must do better.

 

Yes, tagging Worilds and releasing Woodley really screwed the FO's chances at a team friendly deal. At this point you might as well figure 18+ million in bonus and cross your fingers you can convince him on a 6 year deal rather than 5. Whether he flourishes or fails we will be stuck with him at least two years.

 

your mind will change with a winning season and a deep run in the playoffs. winning fixes everything and I think we will this year. just remember they have done it before. its not like they haven't proven they can do it. I know it was blind ass luck right?lol

 

I actually think we win 11 games this year get a home playoff game and might even make the final 8. I think Colbert goes into a status quo mode thinking the roster has little to few holes. Roethlisberger gets his huge extension. Tomlin get's his love from the media all over again despite some average game day decisions.

In 2015 all the roster holes we know exist come back into light vs. a 1st place schedule. We struggle to make the playoffs. Media and fans struggle with how much Roethlisberger is now making at age 34 and why the team continues to go hot/cold/hot/cold.

History says that's what will happen based on the past 7 years of Colbert/Tomlin. In my opinion, unless one of those parts is changed that's what will continue to happen.

 

just a question. we have won championships with tomlin and Colbert. I know they are not your favorite but seriously, and I am not picking a fight, who in the nfl is better? I mean clear cut no contest better. the seahawks? lets wait and see what they are like when they have to pay Wilson and handcuff their roster. the pats? they haven't won since they cheated. I still feel we are as consistent as anyone. I know everyone has their opinion but sometimes I think people just complain to be complaining. the days of winning championships in bunches are over. everyone wants paid now.

I guess I would just like to know what it is you are wanting? tomlin gone? Colbert gone? the rooneys to sell? just wonderings

 

New England will never have to win again to be considered better than us, and everyone else, by many, including many of our own fans. The Patriots are always the best, and even though they cheated they would have won anyway and how do I know that I just do so shut up okay they are better they are the best they will win it all again this year like they always do.

 

I know you're not serious Snack but it did remind me of something from a week or two ago. When did the Pats accumulate the clout they have in this league? I mean before BB the only thing they were known for was the sacrificial lamb that the 85 Bears defense snacked on and now boom. Kraft is the poster boy for the new elite of NFL owners, the "dark one" basically tells the Commish to fine himself and they suggest numerous rule changes each year many beneficial to them and the competition committee rubber stamps them. We are dealing with dark forces here, I fear "He who shall not be named" is working behind the scenes I know it.