Vince Willams

careful.. most think moats is a bum that should be bagging groceries.lol

 

Moats is bigger, stronger, faster and smarter than Williams.

Moats was almost the same height, 13 lbs. heavier, ran .13 seconds faster in the 40 (and that's combine vs. pro day), ran .13 seconds fast in the 10-yard split! (1.58 vs. 1.71), has a drastic KEI advantage (24+36+10 = 70 vs. 22+32+9 = 63) and was much better in the agility drills (4.37 and 7.22 vs. 4.67 and 7.53).

Honestly, I don't really understand why anyone would like Vince Williams in the first place. His numbers are very below average. To me when I watched his film in college and looked at his agility test, I didn't think he was really draft worthy at all. 3-down NFL linebackers just don't really succeed with 4.67 and 7.53 in the 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone drill at this level. Not at slightly under 6'-1" and 233 lbs (which is average to undersized for the league these days).

The kid probably has heart and works hard and is a great college player, but to really succeed at the next level you have at least show some traits that are NFL quality (size, strength, explosion or quickness). Vince Williams is less than average in every one of those categories.

It's been a frustrating template of many Tomlin/Colbert late round draft picks that just don't have NFL qualities that could lead to long term starter success.

 

May tht be ascued from playing time?? As in Williams starting and moats not, I don't know.
Either way, I like Williams. I would love for him to increase the foot speed but that's hope.
I hope that Kirkland has been reincarnated.

 

Of all the measurables I see this one as being the most significant. Williams is showing alot of potential at a very early stage compared to Moats

I am not saying Moats is not necessarily better then Williams but lets give Williams more time.

Bman

 

Vince Williams as a liability in the pass game is a legit concern, but I don't recall that being the problem with him last year ... it was mostly him taking bad angles stopping run plays in between the tackles, something he was good at in college, so I am assuming it is something that he just needs to learn and adjust.

 

Yeah those are things you'd expect from a rookie, especially one picked in the 6th round. But he was also a starter and calling plays, so all in all i think it's hard to criticize his play. Not saying you were though.

 

the bills bouncing back and forth from the 4-3 to the 3-4 has probably hurt moats' game as it did carringtons. at least he is somewhat familiar with it. pass coverage is a biggy though. none of our LB'ers excel at it.

 

Not true.

 

but moats played in 4-3 or in a 3-4 ? i thought was an olb in a 4-3

 

There's a misconception on this board it seems. Where are you getting that Williams called the plays last year?

Almost certain it was Timmons. I read an article at the end of the year where they asked him how it was calling plays for the first time.

 

Also why would he call the plays or set the defense instead of Timmons when he isn't on the field as much?

 

Thanks for the info, so when the steelers aren't in the 3-4 set or are without both middle backers, who takes over Williams role of setting the alignment?

 

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Williams calling the plays getting guys lined up all season, and then he got hurt a few weeks before the end of the season and the Coaches decided just to IR Vince because it was convenient for them to do so. Then Timmons took over with the getting the calls out.

It should have been Timmons job to begin with, I hope he continues to do it.