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Free agency grade thus far?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    :lolol:

    Why do you say that about Blount? I knew he was viewed as a troublemaker coming out of college for punching an opposing player, but I'd pay to see him come to Pittsburgh and do that to Terrell Thuggs! :dancing:
     
  2. lovembig

    lovembig Well-Known Member

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    all these people that are either wanting Harrison back or that are p'd off that it doesnt look like hes coming back are cracking me up.

    the dude was done 2 years ago when the Steelers let him go. he showed absolutely nothing last year with the Bengals so why would you want him back? just for old times sake?

    i loved Harrison when he was with the Steelers and in my mind he will go down as one of the best lbs that have put on that uniform and thats saying something, but he has very little if anything left. the dude gave everything he had on every play and his motor is shot. the will and the mind might still be there, but the ability isnt.

    the Steelers need to get younger on defense and bringing guys back just for the heck of it wont help this team get back to where we all want.


    as for their free agent signings. nothing great in my eyes. hopefully Mitchell can replace Clark. if he has half the heart that Clark had he will be a very good signing. the other guys are just bodies. backups and thats about it.
     
  3. Fe3CCity

    Fe3CCity Well-Known Member

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    Its not attitude at all. It's talent.

    1. We have a bigger back I'd rather see a change pace back.

    2. He has had some success but Id compare the ability to a RB that could be drafted in the 5th and payed less money with the same output.

    I guess maybe I just don't see how it helps outside of just having a veteran body.

    And of course yes I'd love to see him hit a raven but I'd look for a "misguided" running out of bounds at that douche mr harbaugh.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Think you may have wondered into the wrong thread here :hmmm:

    And might want to do a little fact checking before spouting off about how he did nothing in Cincy. He graded out as their second best LB, also was very stout against the run, which you may have noticed we sucked at last year and oh, by the way, has better numbers playing out of position then the guy we just signed today. You Harrisons bashers crack me up!
     
  5. Fe3CCity

    Fe3CCity Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how much it is a qualitative arguement of years as it may be a quantitative argument of years.
    We wouldn't be getting any younger and we need to.
     
  6. knab70

    knab70 Well-Known Member

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    Jack's pretty much spot on in his analysis ..I'm still hoping we can get the 26 LB.. Feel it would be complementary. Moore was a good pickup God knows we need help in this area and Thomas was a no brainer along with the 4.39 Mitchell .Giving the signed FA thus far a fat B. looking forward to primetime in May just hope we do right!
     
  7. TarheelFlyer

    TarheelFlyer Well-Known Member

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    If we could get Carrington and Blount, I think it would be a pretty decent free agency period. We will still have some holes, but at least they would fill some of them, the rest of which an be filled from the draft.
     
  8. bedwyr

    bedwyr Well-Known Member

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    How much did we really lose? 2 players off a very poor D-Line? OK, we lost 2 WR's but with Moore coming in and almost certainly a 1st or 2nd round draft pick, I don't see necessarily a negative there, I'd rather that than overpay Cotchery tbh. We should have an upgrade at safety, we keep Troy and Ike at more cap friendly numbers. Seems a solid B to me and to be honest we're not an A+ in Free Agency type of team.

    I think you can't really know how it's gone before the draft and later free agency, don't forget, Cotchery was signed during camp 2 years ago wasn't he?
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes, but my position all along has been a 1 year signing, we are going to draft a LB this year, let him learn for a year and step in next season.

    I also don't think people realize how young we have gotten, we've already accomplished that objective, having JH for a year won't disrupt that, he'd just give us some quality depth this season and some great leadership. Check out what the players in Cincy are saying about him, they were totally motivated by him. He'd be great for the young guys, add in Porter, just what this defense needs.
     
  10. steelers5859

    steelers5859 Well-Known Member

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    I see it as we got the right positions for the positions we lost. I think we still need a running back either free agency or draft.

    But overall grade I would give a "C". Which could turn out to be higher if they perform better than the players they replaced

    Mitchell-Clark
    Thomas- Hood,Woods
    Moats-Foote
    Moore-Sanders

    Only time will tell.
     
  11. domaug

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    i give the Steelers' free agency a B- so far. the Steelers are almost never this aggressive in free agency so to see them sign several players who can contribute significantly is a good sign (despite the players they lose).

    Mike Mitchell is, easily, their best pickup this offseason. he should do a fine job replacing what Clark brought to the table for the last few years. Panthers fans seemed like it was a priority to keep him (kinda like how a lot of Steelers fans wanted to keep Keenan Lewis, but maybe that's just me).

    Cam Thomas... i think if he provides as much as Al Woods did, this will be a good signing.

    Arthur Moats can be a positive pickup if he can shine outside of a backup role. i'll admit, i don't know too much about him other than his position though...

    Lance Moore should step right in and bring what Emmanuel Sanders brought. i like the way he plays.

    Steelers still seem to be in on Maurice Jones-Drew which would shore up the RB position IMO. overall it's not a bad offseason.
     
  12. knab70

    knab70 Well-Known Member

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    Just think how much more motivation JH would bring home in the Burgh!!
     
  13. Diamond

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    Overpay Cotchery?? He signed with the panthers for 5 years at 8 million, I think he would have signed a 2 or3 year deal at 1.5 mill a year the same as we paid for Moore, so that's bogus...
     
  14. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    No, he wouldn't have. He got $5 Mil for the first 2 years of that deal, with the remaining years being voidable.
     
  15. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    That's chump change considering he caught 10 TDs from Ben in 2013: Jerricho Cotchery's deal with the Panthers is for five years and $8.015 million. The deal includes a $2.25 million signing bonus, and pays Cotchery a total of $3.5 million in 2014. The final three years are "voidable," and exist for the sole purpose of spreading out Cotchery's cap hit.
     
  16. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I'm aware of his contract details.
    5/2= 2.5. 2.5 > 1.5, not to mention guarantees.
     
  17. lovembig

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    i was replying to someone who wanted to bring Harrison back in this thread.

    as far as his production went. he played in 15 games and had less than 20 tackles. im pretty sure thats not very productive and he would be 1 year older next season. i could care less if he graded out as their 2nd best lb. if thats true than that doesnt speak very well about their lbs.

    the dude was a monster in his prime, but he is not anymore. they dont need to bring in old guys just for old times sake. vhis numbers last year were not good. i dont care what kind of twist you want to put on them. the facts are in the stats and his werent very good.
     
  18. Rush2seven

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    Well, we didn't sign Vick or Sanchez, so.....I'd say that is a positive and give them a B-. Yes we need depth, but we also need starters. If all of the starters we need are to either come from our roster or the draft, than so be it.

    WR - Wheaton had the injury bug so we really don't know what he is capable of.
    TE - Spaeth should be healthy and contribute.
    RB - rookies can do a nice job, so I'll look for a late round selection to give Bell a rest.
    OL - here is where I would have liked to go out and get a proven commodity. Only because we have early rounders under performing on the roster now.

    S - signed Troy, have Shmarko, picked up Mitchell
    CB - Need a high draft pick here
    ILB - draft
    OLB - draft for depth
    DE - resign Kiesel
    NT - either commit to McClendon or pick one up in the draft and make McClendon a DE
     
  19. HugeSnack

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    That's a little ridiculous. Stats are often misleading, and most people can twist them. "The facts are in the stats" only when they support what you believe. You can't just ignore circumstances and tape and say this number means he's bad now. Do we really have to go into why?
     
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He graded out as a +8.5, regardless of who else is on the team. Basically you just want to say he sucks and back it up with nothing. Were his numbers good for a starter? Of course not, we are talking back up though and his numbers were just fine for that and would be even better back in his natural position. In addition to 20 tackles, he also had around 11 QB knock downs and 14 pressures, which yes, means something, beats up the QB and makes him rush his throws. Plus an Int.

    He does have something to offer, no matter how much you guys pretend he doesn't.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :amen:
     
  22. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Then why did the Bengals release him? If he graded out as their second best LB and they get rid of him I wonder why.
     
  23. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    maybe they needed the money. they lost some players this year. maybe they didn't need two years to see he didn't fit their scheme well. could be a lot of reasons.:cool:
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah, JH has been cut quite a bit in his career, the suck ass :rolleyes:


    "It was great for our coaches, players and fans to have James on our team last year," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said. "He's a player everyone looks up to because of his ability, his accomplishments and his drive to be the best. He helped us win a division title with his play and with the example he set.

    It's time for us to go a different direction now, with some younger guys, but we will all still reap benefits from having had James with us as a Bengal last year."

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    The Bengals confirmed the news.
    Harrison, the 2008 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, and the Steelers parted ways last spring after the linebacker refused to a pay cut. He wound up signing for less with the Bengals where he started 10 games in 2013 and registered 30 tackles with two sacks and an interception.
    Compared to other Bengals linebackers, Harrison played well, according toProFootballFocus.com. His grade of 8.4 was just behind Vontaze Burfict (10.6) and ahead ofVincent Rey (6.3), Rey Maualuga (-10.2), Michael Boley (-0.5) and Jayson DiManche (-0.1).
    But at 35, Harrison wasn't nearly the player he was in Pittsburgh, and the Bengals decided to get younger (and cheaper) at the position.



    I'm sure you will focus only on the red highlight and ignore every positive thing written there though since it doesn't jive with what you want to believe. Im curious though, do you think Burfict sucks too? Finished right behind him and ahead of everyone else. But hey, old and slow
    :lolol:


     
  25. knab70

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    The cut was two fold...one being finances (clear space) Dalton Green and burfict have contracts up in 2015 and the club wants to get them out of the way this year. The second was production they expected more from Harrison but he never adapted to their defense 4-3. Over the years iv'e seen other pro's along with college coming in that never could master the 4-3 that was schooled the 3-4 though pending on the individual. Harrison will be fine back in Pittsburgh!
     

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