Big Ben

The AP MVP is chosen before the playoffs start.

 

BULLSTUFF I never see Steeler hi-lights the day after a game. Also why we didn't see anything on the raggity ass call on the blocked FG? No one of them likes the Steelers

 

I did not know that. I know they announce it right before the SB. In that case it probably will be Manning even though I can see a strong case for Brady too.

 

From http://www.faniq.com/blog/2013-NFL-Regular-Season-Awards-Blog-61142.

The most prestigious regular season awards in the NFL are given out by the Associated Press (AP), who will not name their award winners until February 2nd (from last years article), the night before the Super Bowl.

 

I love BR as much as the next Steelers fan and firmly believe that he is key ingredient for this team to win. But MVP of the league? No way. Have you guys forgotten that Peyton was written off 2 years ago and not many folks even thought he would make it back on the field after the second neck surgery, let alone set TD records and have the donkeys as the AFC #1 seed. What other QB could say the same? Sorry guys but Peyton deserves to be the MVP. Ben isn't even in the conversation. Get real homers...

 

The '72 Dolphins had Paul Warfield at WR and Marv Fleming at TE, two really good players but with 2960 yards on the ground as a team Griese didn't have to throw much.

 

Dont forget csonka and jim kiick, and mercury morris

plus jim langer a HOF Center and LArry Little a HOF guard...

 

Who's to say that 40 years from now people won't be saying the same things about current Patriots players? Oh, wait. Bellychuck will have traded, released, cut, resigned, cut again the current roster, so...............probably not.

 

and they just keep winning because of brady...further backs my stance on why brady is the greatest ever...

 

Just a partial list of players Brady has had as teammates:
Wilfork
Bruschi
Faulk
Ty Law
Lawyer Milloy
Willie McGinest
Richard Seymour
VrabelTroy Brown
Bert Emanuel
Fauria
Gronkowski
Welker
The real MVP of their 3 SBs, Vinatieri
I don't think that any of those guys was called up from Walmart. I get it that your nipples get hard and the Divinyls play in your head every time Brady's name is mentioned but, He's had some very good, future HOF, teammates. It's not all him.
Ben doesn't deserve league MVP..............this year.

 

Divinyls
had to look that one up

that's a good one SANTEE

 

Name 1 of those guys that will be in the HOF

Kevin Faulk?
Bert Emmanual? ---- he played 2 games with NE
Troy Brown?
Christian Fauria?

Your kidding with these guys right?...these guys were made good because of BRADY...and most of these guys you mentioned are on the defensive side...

the offensive players compared to what montana and manning have had over the years arent even in the same area code ... I hate Brady, most steelers fans do because he sticks it up our asses and picks apart an outdated D that he knows like the back of his hand every single time he plays us...

With guys like AAron Dobson
Kenbrell Tompkins
Julian Freaking Edlmen
and Danny Amendola

your argument isnt very strong...

 

Okay:
Edelman
Austin Collie (pretty good when Manning threw to him)
Chad Johnson
Ben Watson
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth
Tim Dwight
David Givens
Hernandez
Gronkowski
Randy Moss
Film of other teams practices
(reportedly) an extra speaker in his helmet.

 

Manning is having the year of years so that's that but I do agree Brady has done more w/ less (this year), and Ben should be in the conversation as well.

Ben has taken a team w/ a revolving Offensive line, no starting RB out of the gate, new coaches, different coaching approach and has managed to get this thing from 0-4 to possible playoff (LOL). He hasn't had his "all pro" center handing him the ball, is in fact on his third or fourth, and will end with what, 4000+ and 30+/- TDs ? Not bad.

I think MVP should be more than stats but yeah, it's all Manning this year no doubt

 

AB was voted MVP by the team. If Ben can't even get that, I'm not sure how he would be battling Manning for league MVP.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/29/steelers-vote-antonio-brown-their-team-mvp/

 

Exactly ... Some people don't get it..its the media ...like leading cows off to slaughter ...cant think for themselves...

 

These guys you mentioned outside of a few are garbage...CJ end of his career never got on the field...

Manning was throwing to two Lock Future HOF for years!!!!...harrison and wayne

and now has prob one of the best offenses in the game surrounding him...

Montana threw to the greatest WR EVER!


Randy Moss---you just think moss found the fountain of youth from age 30-32?
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Agree with this. Nobody here is saying Ben sucks because he isn't the league MVP or for that matter, the Steelers MVP. Seems like our entitlement society where everyone gets a trophy, juice box, and some oreos, is really effing some folks up.

 

Which ones are garbage? Edelman? Bellyup wouldn't keep him around this long if he were garbage.
Collie? Outstanding with Manning and now with Brady.
In fact, of that list, the only one I would call garbage would be Hernandez.
You brought up Moss, repeatedly, and he's the only sure lock for HOF. To see you tell it, everyone is/has thrown to HOF receivers except Brady. It's just not the case. Brady is an excellent QB but, since the spying scandal, he's Marino 2.0.
You have your opinion about the "greatest ever." Me? I'll take Montana.

 

Mmmm... Juice boxes!

 

yeah
I like when you blow into the box and it spews out the straw

 

Yeah Montana's a pretty good choice for greatest ever..

Actually Hernandez is on of the only ones on that list that isn't garbage...Freak athlete and caused match-up problems for other teams...

Gronk
Hernandez
Moss are the 3 legit targets.....anyone else is a product of Brady IMO

Yes Moss is a lock for HOF he was in his 30s when he went to NE and they rejuvenated his career... thats why i said this: Randy Moss-and look what he did with moss his only legit deep threat ever...what did moss do in oak. and when he left NE????... the defense rests

Trust me I hate NE more than any steelers fan, but the guy just amazes...id say hes a little more than marino 2.0 since marino only got to one super bowl...but again mario had limited weapons as well