Steelers to lose late round draft pick, regardless of ravens making or missing playoffs

This according to profootballtalk.com and cbs sports

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/08/steelers-will-indeed-lose-a-late-round-pick/

total BS!

 

Being that la canfora is wrong so often I won't sweat this until it actually happens.

 

If they lose a draft pick then the Rooney's really need to take a hard look at keeping Tomlin after this season. It has been disappointment after disappointment this season and this may be the nail in the coffin. I was always on the fence with Tomlin as coach but this may make me jump to the "Let's move in a new direction side".

 

What a bunch of crap this is. This new Roger Goodell version of the NFL sucks.

 

I disagree. It's actually pretty simple, follow the ****ing rules and you won't have to worry about fines, suspensions or losing draft picks. That idiot Tomlin should not have been anywhere near the play like that. Do you blame cops if you get a speeding ticket? Tomlin did something incredibly stupid and got involved in a play that may or may not have resulted in a TD. We wouldn't even have to worry about Goodell if people would just follow the rules. It's as simple as that

 

Sometimes the rules need to be questioned. In Tomlin's instance, no. He shouldn't have been were he was and deserved the fine, albeit a little steep. However, big-picture speaking, I believe the NFL brass is legislating the spirit out of the game, and some of the rules aren't very clear.

Losing a draft pick is complete and total BS. I can only hope that this serves as a rallying cry for the team and we go on to win #7. Only way we can redeem this garbage nonsense.

 

Fine, punish the idiot, not the team. The team had nothing to do with what he did.

 

I've said this before in response to these kind of claims.

If they lose a draft pick over this, the Rooney's need to look at the NFL and it's idea of a fitting punishment; and they need some consistency with handing out said punishments that are justified by the logic and dignity of the game first, and what the media audience want second.

 

Pretty much this. That there is a punishment isn't the issue - I agree with Shaner on that, even if I don't buy a lot of the arguments that there was 'clear intent' etc. etc. He was on the field when he shouldn't have been is about the sum of it, and there was always going to be a punishment for that.

But what is complete BS here is that the punishment does not fit the crime.

 

My question is are there any guidelines or agreements concerning what punishments are possible for rules violations, or do they just make it up as they go along? Surely there must be some type of agreement between teams or personnel and their employers. Could Goodell award points in a game? Award a win or loss? Fire people? Sentence them to hard labor? Limit size of the squad? Give the Ravens our draft pick? Forbid post-season play?

If it is spelled out somewhere that "violations of rules by coaches can result in $$$ fines, suspension, and possible loss of draft picks" I would still argue that the punishment is excessive, but at least he's not making it up as he goes. I haven't heard anyone cite a "policy" that Gooddell is following. If they want to punish Tomlin, suspend him for a game or two, but don't mess with the team That is what the NCAA does with all its sanctions, and it seems so unfair to punish people who weren't even around when the infractions took place. This was not a team thing, but an individual infraction.

 

This really just pisses me off. Go after Tomlin but not the team. If this had been the Pat's, or Bronco's there would be no talk of draft picks. If it does happen and a draft pick is taken does that not just leave us more money for FA? Also if we loose the pick does that mean the Steelers are forced to get raid of Tomlin to make a point too?

 

they could punishing him more and don't touch our draft pick , 2 or more game suspension , but maybe they want to punish us . btw i keep my idea if we lose a draft pick we should send tomlin and sue him for damage .

 

Yeah, I agree with you. This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion. There was an article earlier in the week asking other coaches about it and even harbaugh didn't think it was a big deal. Fining Tomlin is perfectly fair, but some of the other bs that happens around the league and we're gonna lose a draft pick for this? Come on !

 

Were there any draft picks lost by the Saints for Bountygate? That seems like a more egregious infraction, and was systemic, not an individual.

 

Quite simply I don't care one bit about Goodell. The way I see it is that if you don't break the rules then you won't have to even worry about Goodell. I'm so sick of our players and coaches breaking the rules and then whining about it. Harrison blatantly delivered illegal hits time and time again. While I don't like the new player safety rules, they're quite clear. So Harrison gets suspended and Ryan Clark has done nothing but whine about Goodell ever since. Harrison says he wouldn't piss on him if he's on fire. Other Steeler players speak out against him too. What kind of industry on earth other than pro sports can you talk to your boss like that and not expect repercussions?

At what point do people take personal responsibility? I tend to have a heavy foot so if I get nailed with a ticket I'm not going to whine about it. It's easy, dont break the rules and Goodell won't exist to us.

 

yea, I'm starting to lean this way. if the head man can't keep it together, the rest of the team won't either. what really got me is when he said he talked to his sons about it. how about your bosses and the team?

causing the steelers to lose a draft pick (if it happens) when we really need some draft picks, is huge. art2 doesn't seem like he would be real acceptable of this. interesting. I did read the front office was pretty ticked at the league for considering this. not sure if it was art2 or Colbert or who the front office they were talking about is. there was an article on steelers depot about it earlier in the week.

 

Agree whole heartedly. My gosh, make the rules, enforce the rules, enough of this "here's your punishment.... but we may re-visit the penalty upon further review at the end of the season" crap

 

The league has taken draft picks from teams before for questionable behavior, besides the 500K fine levied on Belichick, the league took the patriots 1st round draft pick, the league is now waiting to see if tomlins actions will affect the ravens playoff standings or not; we lost a 3rd round draft pick in 98 for exceeding the salary cap, heres a list of teams punshed with the loss of draft picks as well as fines:

After intruding on the field of play—and possibly interfering with Baltimore Ravens kickoff returner Jacoby Jones during a 73-yard return—Tomlin was sure to face stiff penalties. On Wednesday, it was announced Tomlin was facing a $100,000 fine.
Personally, Tomlin got off easy. $100,000 is less than 2 percent of his 2013 salary. According to Forbes, Tomlin's the sixth-highest paid coach in the NFL at $5.5 million per year. It's the second-highest fine levied against a head coach in NFL history, but only one-fifth the $500,000 fine New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick paid in the wake of "Spygate."
There could be a much dearer price to pay, though. "Because the conduct affected a play on the field," the NFL said in a statement, "a modification or forfeiture of draft choices will be considered after the final order of the 2014 draft has been determined."

What does this mean? Will the league really take away draft picks from the Steelers because Mike Tomlin—inadvertently, he claimed—wandered on to the field of play at a particularly bad time?
If so, which pick (or picks!) will they take, and how will it affect Tomlin and the Steelers' ability to contend in 2014?

The Precedent
Though forfeited draft picks is rare, it's not unprecedented. Per ESPN.com, here are all of the instances the NFL has taken away draft picks since 1980:

• 2011 Lions forfeit seventh-round pick for tampering with Chiefs players

• 2008 49ers forfeit fifth-round pick for tampering with Bears linebacker Lance Briggs

• 2008 Patriots forfeit first-round pick for Spygate scandal

• 2002-05 Broncos forfeit 2005 third-round pick, 2002 third-round pick for circumventing salary cap between 1996 and 1998

• 2001-02 49ers forfeit 2002 third-round pick, 2001 fifth-round pick for salary cap violations

• 2001 Steelers forfeit third-round pick for exceeding 1998 salary cap

• 1986 Patriots forfeit third-round pick for illegal use of injured reserve list

• 1981 Broncos forfeit third-round pick for contract violations involving Bill Thompson

• 1981 Raiders forfeit fifth-round pick for illegally sequestering two players in 1978

• 1980 Eagles forfeit third-round pick for holding illegal tryout

• 1980 Raiders forfeit fourth-round pick for evasion of player limit

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Note that all of these violations directly impact competition or competitive balance: spying, tampering, circumventing the salary cap or roster limits.
In 2003, the Detroit Lions' then-CEO Matt Millen was fined $200,000 for violating the so-called Rooney Rule, hiring a head coach without granting any serious interviews to minority candidates. As this violation didn't give the Lions a competitive advantage, though, no draft picks were forfeited or modified.

 

All those listed violations are instances of deliberate actions. Not exactly the same circumstances to establish any precedent.

 

Maybe the league thinks tomlins actions were deliberate, anyway they are questionable enough to determine if the 4 point difference on the play will cost the ravens in a playoff tie breaker, which in my opinion is unlikely to happen, so the loss of a draft pick probably wont happen anyway.......

 

:godell:Man that game totally sucked..Coach T loitering on the ref's turf and the 12th man on the field. A helment rule that badly needs tweaked allowing no T/D a head hunter that doesn't get penalized nor fined & the Coach shell's 100,000 loses a draft pick. But the ultimate was...NO WIN!!


The Mike Tomlin Seasonal Hit-

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me.

 

Curious, anyone here familiar enough with the NCAA rules to know what their penelty might be in a situation simliar to what Tomlin did??