TD Pass Recpetion Rules Question ??

Say a player catches a pass for a TD and crosses the plane of the goalline with possesion of the ball, but is falling to the ground as he catches the ball, and then looses possesion of the ball as he his the ground (either inbounds or out of bounds) is it a completion or not since posession wasn't maintained thru to the ground??

I'm honestly totally confused, and I'm pretty sure I've seen it called both ways this year if I'm not mistaken.

thanks in advance.

 

I think you do understand, cause I too though they'd (the NFL) rule it as incomplete as the rules are now (new this year I think), and no offense ... but IMO that rule is total BS.

I had ment to ask before, but it slipped my mind. Oklahoma just scored a TD against Oklahoma State and it was ruled and a review confirmed it was a TD, the correct way to call it in my opinion.

 

if he catch the ball outside of the endzone and then cross the plane with the ball , i think is a touchdown . but yes is an headscratcher

 

My thinking is that if the ground can't cause a fumble for a runner, then why in the hell can the ground cause an otherwise completed pass for a reciever??

Sorry, but that's just not logical in my little pea brain's way of thinking.

 

Where's Mike Pereira when you need him

 

to consider the reception valid , you need to complete the process ,control two step and still control , then if you lose the ball is a fumble or if you have crossed the line is a td , for the runner is the same if he catch a forward pass, if he take the ball behind is a fumble anytime if he lose the ball because only a forward pass is consider an attempt pass

 

Let's just say that I'm confussed by this years pass reception rule change, and I don't think I'm necessary the lone ranger. LOL

 

I'm so sick of all these ticky tacky calls. Seems like anything remotely a close play, you need to get an act of congress to get the call.

 

:mrgreen::lolsign:

 

I might be wrong and all wet (won't be the 1st or the last time), but didn't they change the rule this year (or maybe last year) that defined that in order for a completion to be ruled valid that the the receiver must maintain posession thru and to include contact with the ground duing the process of catching a pass ??

 

I think that's been a rule for the last few years?

 

Again I very well could be wrong, but aren't they currenty calling passes incomplete (particularly out-of-bounds) when a player looses possesion when contacting the ground, that in years past (no exactly sure how far back) that used to be completions??

 

yes was changed 2 -3 years ago , if i remember well

 

My bad, I did some digging and I think you are correct Freak. It appears the rule was changed around the 2009/2010 time frame to include adding the "contact with the ground". Of course, it appears how that is exactly called on the field is probably an "ever evolving process". LMAO

But also in my digging, I was however able to confirm that I'm indeed not the "lone ranger" in thinking it needs to be clarified/changed.
:lolsign:

 

Yeah they used to call them completions, but not since the modified what constitutes a catch and that happened a few years ago.

 

incomplete...has to maintain throughout the play...megatron rule from a few years agio

 

No, that's wrong. Either a receiver has possession or he doesn't. If he has possession, that means the catch is complete and the ground cannot cause the player to lose possession. If a player catches the ball, takes three steps, then has the ball come loose as he hits the ground, that is a catch. If a player flies through the air, gets both hands on the ball, but the ground causes him to drop it, that's not a catch. The end zone is no different.

If he has possession and has completed the catch, once the ball breaks the plane, then it's a TD even if the players drops it once he hits the ground. If he hasn't caught it yet, then he has to maintain possession all the way to the ground.

 

And now onto the "what is a fumble" thread.

Let it grow let it grow...

 

What Shaner and Freak said, basically.

I like, for no particular reason, the stipulation that the plane of the goal-line circumnavigates the entire world, as long as the player's feet are in bounds. I'm not sure if it's written down, but certainly commentators have talked about it in the past.

 

I like the rules the way they were, pre 2009/2010, especially on sideline and endzone passes. If a reciever has both feet in-bounds when he makes the catch and shows possesion by bringing the ball back into his body, why should loosing the ball when he hits the ground out of bounds be ruled an incompletion is beyond me. These are the passes where I've seen rulled both ways (completion vs incompletion) the most this year.

 

I don't mind the "no force out" part of it and actually agree with that part of it.

Of the top of my head I can't give you specific examples of calls this year; I will say in one of our games (not sure which one) the opposing team's player made a sideline catch that was ruled a completion and the ball did obviously come out when he hit the ground (out of bounds). Of course in that same game, at least one other similar call was "correctly" ruled an incompletion for us.

 

According to the NFL Rule book if he catches it outside the goal line and is running, when the ball touches or breaks the plane of the goal line. It is a touchdown, even if it is punched out of his hand
Ruling: Touchdown (8-7-1).
A.R. 7.10 Second-and-goal on B4. Runner A1 gets to the goal line and ball touches goal line when he is tackled. He fumbles and
defensive B1 recovers in end zone.
Ruling: Touchdown. Ball dead as soon as ball touches goal line in player possession (11-2-1-a).
If he catches the ball in the end zone and gets hit at the same time, he has to control the ball through his ground trip