Fire Todd Haley now!!!

Time will tell. I see what you're saying though. I just wonder if Art does.

 

Yes you are wrong ... here is 2010 going by ypa ...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/year/2010

Looks like 18th to me ...
[TABLE="class: tablehead"]
[TR="class: evenrow team-28-23"]
[TD="align: left"]18
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh
[/TD]
[TD]471
[/TD]
[TD]1924
[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell"]4.1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

sub 500 in stats?

come on, it's too early to give up on Haley right now
sheeeeesh t
o many variables
and they just don't go drastic change
that's not the STEELER WAY JUEY

 

They don't do drastic change? They fired an OC after a 12-4 season, that's pretty drastic. AR2's replacement went 8-8 in his first season and likely worse in his second. Firing haley is by no means a drastic change.

 

LOOK!!
WE MAKE THE DAMN PLAYOFFS AND WITH A WINNING RECORD OKAY?
STOP TELLING ME OTHERWISE
SHEEEESH

 

Let us know when you've recovered from your current turkey and gravy induced delusional state.

 

oh I will
I will do just that
okay
and it's currant absolut not turkey
okay?

 

At least Haley hasn't provided an on-field distraction (like Tomlin), yet.

 

FOR THE LAST TIME!!! They DIDN'T FIRE HIM!!! HE "RETIIIIRED"!!!! (for about 3 months) LOLOLOLOL!!!!

 

Maybe we can get NFL Flims to do a piece on being an OC's wife?? LMAO

 

isn't there enough of that BS
please do not give em ideas

 

not wrong at all...


2011 ypa
[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table"]
[TR="class: hl, bgcolor: #FFFFAA !important"]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]434[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1903[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]76[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]118.9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-17.78[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


2010 ypg
[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table"]
[TR="class: hl, bgcolor: #FFFFAA !important"]
[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]471[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1924[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]120.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-44.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


its all relative compared to the pathetic running ranks we have had the last 2 years...

2012
[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table"]
[TR="class: hl, bgcolor: #FFFFAA !important"]
[TD="align: right"]26[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]412[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1537[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]96.1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]33[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-58.31[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


2013
[TABLE="class: sortable stats_table"]
[TR="class: hl, bgcolor: #FFFFAA !important"]
[TD="align: right"]30[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh Steelers[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]279[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]922[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]76.8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-46.96
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


all i know is when we were a down field passing team we were top half in the league in rushing ...since we have been trying to "establish the run" we have been pretty piss poor...further reinforcing my theory that "we" need to pass to set up the run...and we do...case closed

 

agree that we need to keep the other team honest with the running attack...but it needs to be at the appropriate times...not 5 straight to open the game.... it needs to be mixed in when the other team is not ready for it...our best player is Ben.... win or lose with him...not try to win or lose with our O-line.... establishing the run as a priority in 2013 is an anomaly ....

 

You just can't get it right, can you?
Now you are providing 2010 yards/game stats and 2011 yards/att stats.

Again here is 2010 yard/att stats with a link ...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/year/2010

Still looks like 18th to me ...
[TABLE="class: tablehead"]
[TR="class: evenrow team-28-23"]
[TD="align: left"]18
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh
[/TD]
[TD]471
[/TD]
[TD]1924
[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell"]4.1
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now, wouldn't have been so much easier just to admit you were wrong in your very first post when I showed they were ranked 11th in 2010 and 14th in 2011 in total yards?

 

Man, opinions about our coaches are funny. When are the players accountable?

 

not wrong at all...10 ypg 11 ypa (14ypg) i knew exactly what I was providing

regardless of a few spots up or down... your completely missing the point... the difference in the run game has been astronomical...with a guy who was actually brought in to "establish the run" which is a completely outdated mind set... Being able to run the ball and forcefully trying to establish the run are 2 different things...the fact that they intentionally take the ball out of their best players hands and try to dial him back is ludicrous...no other franchise would ever do this to their "HOF level" QB.... I love the Rooneys but come on the fact that we replaced our coordinator after back to back 12-4 seasons is nuts...because he was too comfortable with Ben??????? Because they weren't playing the "Pittsburgh Way?" WHAT?? When was it a bad thing to have your coordinator and you QB comfortable with each other...

The Pittsburgh Way is to win games and thats put the ball in your best players hands...some people going all the way to the top of the franchis3 can't get out of their head its not the 70s anymore

 

do we even have any healthy players left?

 

I'm not missing anything, you initially provided the wrong data, and you've since been providing data in some sort of "mixed mode". Can you correctly provide total team rushing yards for 2010 and 2011, with links?

If you can this is what they will show ...

2010
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingYards/year/2010

[TABLE="class: tablehead"]
[TR="class: oddrow team-28-23"]
[TD="align: left"]11
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh
[/TD]
[TD]471
[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell"]1924
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


2011
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/year/2011

[TABLE="class: tablehead"]
[TR="class: evenrow team-28-23"]
[TD="align: left"]14
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]Pittsburgh
[/TD]
[TD]434
[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell"]1903
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Now, if you look back to the very first time I corrected your erronous data, you will find the very same as above (less the links).

 

the rooneys told BA that we need to run the ball more effectively not more. he didn't.

they try to run the ball better to keep the HOF qb you speak of upright and out of a wheelchair. ben was sacked at a crazy number for years. he's getting older and it has to stop or we won't have him anymore.

haley wasn't brought in to just run the ball. there has to be a balance. that's how you win championships. you talk about the 70's like it was a bad thing. it goes beyond the 70's too. 5 of our 6 SB wins came from teams that were balanced and could run the ball as well as pass. it keeps the qb upright, keeps the defense honest and if you saw the ravens game, that same runner can catch passes too.

nobody has taken the ball out of our best players hands, he's got near every steeler passing record for a reason. when you play up north, you better be able to run the ball. we don't play in a dome where we don't have to deal with the elements. with the SB in NY this year in feb., in the cold, you can bet your behind, the winning team will have to be able to run the ball as well as pass it.

everything is not cut and dry in relation to yards per game or run ranking against other teams in the league. some divisions are better then others. schedules are easier or harder then others, alot depends on the age of your defense too. scoring quick always passing puts your defense on the field alot. they wear down during the long season. the older they are the more they wear down. coaches have to adjust to the teams they have. 12-4 means nothing if you beat a bunch of cupcakes and when you get against a good team in the playoffs, you fold like a cheap tent.

records and yards don't win games. it's not correct that you list the pats,giants and ravens, like they just relyed on throwing the ball with their franchise qb's. all those teams run the ball efficiently and play good defense. they also throw the ball efficiently. it's about balance and being efficient with the ball on offense and playing good defense. if they don't score, we can't lose.

 

you make very valid points

 

your right just put ben and 4 wr's on the field and we will win them all. that's all we need. what was i thinking?

 

where did i say that? I guess you didn't read my entire posting

Funny i even gave you a compliment about your valid points...

 

i don't mean to an azz about what you said and i did read through your posts before this. ben had alot of good teams around him. ben does play better with play action. you have to have the "play" part of that equation to make it work. you act like we run the ball constantly. 5 times to start one game doesn't mean we do it every game like that. we had alot of different players when we went 12-4. ben made alot less money too and was younger. i think you give ben way more props then deserved about being the type of qb thats better throwing it 75% of the time. < paraphrasing of course.

of course my points are valid. we have the hardware to prove it. i disagree with your points about the 70's mindset. remember the west coast offense? it was the way the nfl was heading so you better get on board or stay in the stone age theory. not. i also disagree with 5 wide and an empty backfield on 3rd and short and inside the redzone that we use very ineffectively. < that was a BA mindset and haley now does it. ben likes it. this leaves alot of the playbook out of the equation for the offense and the defense. it goes with the throw it all the time offense which is putting the ball in ben's hands.

you use the run game as a tool for your HOF qb. why would you take away options to him? why would you give the defense less options to defend? remember it wasn't because of haleys offense taking the ball out of bens hands. let's look at the missed wide open guys and picks and fumbles and plain bad throws ben makes. it wasn't haleys offense that can't lead a receiver on the run very well. were these because we ran the ball? were these haley's fault because we ran the ball too much? no they are what happens if we put to much on bens shoulders at one time.

i've said this before and stick to it. ben is a creature of habit. he likes what he likes. he likes what he is comfortable with. he likes what he practices, over and over. thats part of the reason ben likes and the no huddle work. it's also why they took what ben was familiar with out of the old playbook and put in the new one from last year to this one. it's part of the reason they dummied down the play calling and exactly which receivers would be doing what, as it came out the last 2 weeks. it's why they started only putting in certain plays for certain situations and keep the same personell doing the same things.

ben is not a great accuracy, timing, throw to a spot type qb. sure from time to time he can, but not as a rule. he needs the tool of a run game to help him. an efficient timley run game is the way to go. if your clicking off 4 yards a rush, you can do alot of things for your ball club. offensively and defensively. it is a team game and ben ain't good enough to do it alone. he's just the distributor. though a winning one with the right help.