Big Ben frustrated with the direction of the Steelers

Hey, Ben only has 1 turnover per game... and by per game, I mean today's game.

 

And, he hasn't turned it over next week yet

 

So how much of the blame for Ben's lack of TD passes is on the line, receivers and play calling? Put Manning or Bree's under center on this team and see what their numbers are.

 

Any time there are more turnovers then TD's passes then it's excessive.

 

Manning and Brees would make this offense better because of the way they play QB.

 

Man, I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I was WAY off!

 

Manning would be in a wheelchair!

 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he made such a request. It should be apparent to all of Steeler Nation that the team is in rebuild mode and Ben isn't exactly enamored with the new offense. When you couple that with Ben being in the final years of his career it's pretty easy to see a trade request being made. Do you really think he wants to spend the final years of his career on a team in rebuild mode?

 

Manning has been sacked 9 times, Brees has been sacked 11 times, Ben has been sacked 33 times, what a difference. I'll go one better for those who want to talk about turnovers and getting rid of the ball quickly, time in pocket before pressure;

T.Brady - 4.7 sec. avg time allowed in pocket.

P. Manning - 4.3 sec. avg time allowed in pocket

D. Brees - 3.8 sec avg time allowed in pocket

B. Roethliburger- 1.8 sec avg time allowed in pocket.

These numbers are the average time it takes for pressure to get to the QB, we have those who argue but in reality could you imagine what the offense would look like if we gave Ben a clean pocket for 3 seconds without him having to run and find some place to throw?

 

Exactly BK. With proof like that, it is hard to imagine how anyone can heap all of the blame on Ben. Insane.

 

I think your stats are a bit skewed.

Those QB's are sacked less because they don't typically hold the ball as long as Ben.

The way a QB plays the position changes the way a defense chooses to attack an offense.

The offense would still be inconsistent under Ben regardless of the amount of time he has to throw. That's because Ben struggles making the proper reads at times. Ben is also not a great rhythm and timing passer.

The bottom line is that the Brady, Manning, and Brees offenses have out performed Ben lead offenses when it comes to producing points. Point production in the league generally starts with the play of the QB.

 

I don't believe those are a true representation of the facts. Here you go.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/07/signature-stat-snapshot-time-to-throw/

 

That list isn't a true representation of the facts either. The list includes the time that a QB has to throw as well as how long it takes him to throw. Notice the comment - no one takes less time to throw the ball than Tom Brady.

 

When you pick in the top ten I believe that you take either a left tackle, QB, or something else that is absolutely special.

I say next year the Steelers take a left tackle, cut some vets and fill hole the best they can; trying to build a team that wins games. In the next draft they try to build a contender. If next year's team is bad then that is where you look at taking the QB in the first.

Just my opinion.

 

I didn't say they were facts. I provided a website for someone that asked about those kinds of stats.

The facts show that the scoring offense under Ben has generally been average.

Ben should had gotten better with age and experience but it hasn't happened. As of this season what does Ben do consistently well?

 

That's the approach the Steelers may take. The one constant for the Steelers to be a consistent winning team with Ben as the QB was a top 5 ppg defense. Until they can fix the defense they probably won't be contenders with Ben as the QB.

 

I don't know where those figures came from but here's a link to some numbers that show the percentage of sacks that come after the QB's had the ball for more than 3 seconds (2009-2010). Ben was at 4.89% of pass attempts and Manning at 0.32% with Brady at 1.58%

Makes a case that Ben holds the ball too long. It can be both you know. It could be that he often gets hit with jail-break pass rushes and then when the protection is good holds the ball too long. It's not necessarily and either/or situation.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure