Incognito-

Trying to "light a fire under him"??? Dude I think you've been "lighting" something else. You don't treat another human being the way he treated this guy. If you want your linemen to get nasty you let your defensive guys lay some heat on them in practice. You don't talk about doing unspeakable things "in your mouth". Good grief dude. Get some fresh air and quickly. I'm sorry to get so grumpy about this but what you said is absolutely indefensible within the context of the case in Miami.

 

Yeah if their kid was on a team with a guy that treated them like this I wonder if they would say "oh that's how you're SUPPOSED to treat your teammate!" I think not.

 

Incognito is lucky this guy didn't go off, one day Incognito's luck will run out.

 

Incognito was suspended for the 2004 season in college at Nebraska because of off-the-field incidents. At Oregon, he was dismissed from the team after a week. In four years with the Rams from 2006 to 2009, he drew 38 penalties, including seven unnecessary roughness calls, played only 3 games for the Bills and now the stuff with the Dolphins. Way too much baggage.

 

Sorry Blast but you're wrong, Just about every former player player on the NFL Network has talked about the culture of the locker-room, from hazing to forced service to verbal abuse to physical confrontations against young & new players. To a player they all said some things you had to do but at some point if and/or when your manhood was challenged you had to stand up for yourself. To a player once you defended yourself you gained respect but if you didn't the abuse would never end.

From 1st hand knowledge locker-rooms are full of competitive men with high levels of testosterone involved in a game where the more you hit and inflict pain the more you're adored by fans and the more money you'll make and it's all legal.

Sorry, but there just isn't room for sensitive guys afraid of confrontation. Golic spoke about it all morning, its life in the NFL.

Now was Richie wrong? Yes, he went too far and took it outside the locker-room, probably because Martiin was absent from the OTA's in April when the voicemail was sent 6 months ago.


All the current players are saying that everything has seemed good between those two up until this past week, seemed like good friends even, until when martin sat down at a table for lunch ALL the OL got up and left him there alone. That's why he left and went home and as retaliation shared this verbal abuse/bullying charge 6 months later, prompted by his agent and parents because leaving would be breaking a contract and now we're talking losing money.

Sorry, but if you want me to defend you don't wait 6 months before coming forward over this sort of thing. Man up and deal with it when it happens either by standing up for yourself ( which Richie was trying to invoke) or bringing in the right authorities.

Again, his teammates standing by him speaks volumes. I'd take him on the Steelers roster as I don't see him as a cancer, just a player using poor judgement who I hope has learned his lesson and moved on.

He's not a dirtbag or POS.

Cajun-

 

I'm not blaming a victim and enabling an abuser nor am I acting like Richie by calling him or Martin hurtful names.

I've only said this several times,,,, Richie went too far!!!! He was asked to toughen up a fellow lineman and his method was wrong!

He had issues earlier in his career but has worked hard the past three years to clean up his play on the field. Please read or listen to Tannehills response as well as ALL the other Fins players because they were there, not you and not me.

Richie has called Martin his little brother defending him and mentoring him all season until the lunch table incident which caused Martin to leave the team. Three other players have come out and said the same prank has been played on them and they laughed it off. If Martiin was bothered by the voicemail he didn't say anything for 6 months. It was a voicemail for goodness sake and not some terrible traumatic event.

You're right, some people can't take some things and its clear Martin has a thinner skin than Richie. I feel bad for Martin because he seems like a good kid, and a talented one, but if he can't man up, toughen up, thicken his skin a bit and become more aggressive and confrontational or at least stand up for himself more he might want to find a new line of work. The NFL is a violent sport played by grown men not afraid of it.


Cajun-

 

Are you serious? This dude has mental problems. I wouldn't want to see this dude in a Steelers T-shirt. I hate people like him. I'm part of the toughest orginzation in the world, "The United States Marine Corps" and when we find out about sh^t like this, we toss the dirt bags. The world has no place for a guy like this.

 

Good post.

THe problem with the "expert" former players talking about it is that they instantly turn it into "weak guy versus strong guy", and basically make out that this is all it really boils down to. This happens because, due to the lack of information about what happened in Miami, they're forced to reduce what is obviously a complex set of events into what they know and can talk about. And in the process, completely missing the complexities and issues.

So you get the likes of Sapp talking about what went on in their locker room, and how it would never go too far, and it was about strengthening players etc. All they're really doing is defending the game itself from bad puclicity. But in the process they can end up defnding Incognito, when they really have no idea what went on at all.

 

I think Incognito has a screw lose, which isn't necessarily a bad thing in the NFL. I also think he went overboard with some of his methodology. BUT...every Dolphin player TO A MAN is coming out in support of Incognito. Why is that? I forget the lineman's name, but he was talking about how Martin when he first came into the league would not look anyone in the eye and did not seem to want to be a part of the lineman group. He said he was very standoffish and that Incognito was told to bring him out of his shell. Several players are saying that Incognito was the LG and Martin was the LT, and that Incognito took him under his wing to try get him out of his shell. They said it was a big brother, little brother kind of relationship. Now when big brother is a little on the psychotic side and little brother is thin skinned, I'm not sure that's going to work real well. This guy also talked about how Martin did not want to initially pony up when he was a rookie to buy dinner. This didn't sit too well with the rest of the lineman as rookies ALWAYS pony up for dinner. Again, they felt it was Martin not wanting to be part of the group. The lineman also take an annual trip to Vegas, a trip that Martin initially committed to going on and then backed out at the last minute. Incognito and the other lineman told Martin that since he left them high and dry, he needed to pay his share of the trip which he had already committed to. This included a private jet, hotel accommodations, shows, etc. Again, that may be over the line but apparently it's the norm with the lineman in South Beach.

I feel sorry for Martin. But you know what? In a way, I feel sorry for Incognito too. This lineman who was a teammate of Incognito's at both Nebraska and Miami said that he had really taken steps to try to mature and grow over the last 3 years or so. Every other Dolphin that has spoken about this has said the same thing. I'm actually surprised at the overwhelming support that Incognito is getting from his teammates. And as for Incognito's use of a racial slur being compared to what Riley Cooper said, apples and oranges. What Cooper did was demeaning and threatening. What Incognito said was under the context of being one of "the boys" and that's a different context altogether. Doesn't make it right, but it needs to be framed properly.

 

As much as people try to link the two ( NFL & military ) with phrases like surgical strike, going to war, band of brothers etc we have to realize they are in different worlds. The NFL is a violent game played by grown men for millions of dollars. The Military is a group of men dedicated to the preservation of our country, at ANY costs including death where honor and dedication and commitment is on a level unequaled anywhere.

The world has no place for a guy like this!!! Really!!! You're confused, the World has no place for a guy like Bin Laden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richie took a request too far, sent a voicemail 6 months ago. Since that time Martin has laughed about the voicemail with teammates, Richie has taken Martin under his wing calling him his little brother. The two guys hang out on AND off the field and when trouble arises between Martin and "other" teammates Richie has been the FIRST guy there to defend Martin.

Yeah, he's a dirtbag, POS..... Sounds like to me this over PC world lives on. One sign of some-one being mean to some-one else and without knowledge of ALL the facts people are ready to destroy a guys career if not Life in general so who's worse,?, the guy who it seemed did something or said soomething aweful or the lynch mob stringing him up in a tree.

Cajun-

 

It was also being reported this morning that when Martin walked out on the team, Incognito was the first person to call him and wanted to know why. He asked if it was the incident in the cafeteria where the other lineman got up when Martin sat down, which was a common prank, and Martin said no, that it was other things going on and he needed to deal with them. Incognito thought enough of his "little brother" to call him to check in when he left the team. That tells me something right there.

 

Wow, you guys never disappoint. I have to stop clicking on controversial threads before I vomit out of cynicism.

 

Care to elaborate?

 

Saw an interview with Ricky willams stated when he played the game the slur was used around the NFL locker room's on a daily bases. Its just another noun never taken seriously...the problem i have is the death threat.. Richie wanting to slap Martin's mother in the face and a phone clip showing him going into a rage inside a bar screaming intimidating the customers by random. This is one loose cannon i'm sure Pittsburgh would never consider.

 

How serious do you think the "death threat" was? And the "I'm gonna slap yo momma" threat was probably equally as serioius. Were they both in very poor taste? ABSOLUTELY! Was he serious about either one? I doubt it. And as for the bar video. Nobody acted like they were afraid of Incognito. In fact, Pouncey and others were laughing and joking about it. He just looked like a drunken fool to me. And we all know people like that and in all likelihood, we probably like them.

And before I get accused of being an Incognito apologist, I'm absolutely not. The guy's a roid-ravin' idiot. But there is reality, and there is the story that the media likes to hang its hat on for days, weeks and months. At times, destroying lives and careers in the process.

 

This.

Though I'm not ( believe it or not ) an Incognito apologists and yes I like how you've put your opinion of him, I have to say I equally dislike how he's being raked over the coals.

I'll also add this, what we want is what's on the field and it seems people are either naïve or blind about our own players. Ben and Harrison have been no choir boys but here they're defended.

I'd take Richie on this team because of what he brings on the field and in the locker-room. I won't let him in my living room though until he cleans his filthy mouth and roid-rage drunken fool actions off the field. We all want nasty OL or killer LBers but we all turn a blind eye to what it takes to be one of these kind of guys until the media puts a spin on it then all of a sudden we're disgusted and ashamed........................................... Please

Cajun-

 

I can't answer how serious his threat's were not inside his membrain! But they were "threats"and yes i know how the media works its how the varmints make their living by stirring the pot. It was broadcast that more is coming out this week on Richie's "behavior issue's" so ill reserve anymore thoughts till this matter plays out. I won't accuse you as an Incognito apologist maybe it's just an imaginary point dividing one feeling from another or viewed as being boarderline.

 

For those that want to focus on the statement that "he was told to toughen him up" and acting like he simply went about it the wrong way must be forgetting about his past issues with Nebraska and the Rams. This isn't as simple as someone asking him to toughen a guy up and he simply went too far. There's so much more going on with Incognito than that. Let's also not forget this guy was known across the league as the dirtiest player in the NFL. Hell a guy ripped his helmet off and tried to knock Incognitos head off with it because of his antics! Karma is a b**ch! Stop feeling sorry for this POS as if he's the victim. And when people say they are looking for a player with some "nasty" in him it certainly DOES NOT take this type of personality to be that type of player.

 

So was ward and we celebrated it.

 

here I thought this thread was about the cheatriots and them having a spy on our team. incognito.

 

Do you think Ward was a dirty player? And where was this celebration? I never got the invite I guess