Would you be in favor of this hypothetical coaching move?

When the coaching staff remains relatively the same, you are saying that they suddenly lost their minds and know nothing about football, when they previously had success? The only variable that has changed is the players that make the plays, thus the majority of the blame remains with them. Your argument is invalid.

 

and what your ignoring is that all those teams were coming off some really bad years and lots of very high draft picks. the steelers can't say that. when tomlin has had talent he's produced.

 

the man's proven he can win when the talent is around him. right now it isn't. when they have 8 probowlers on the roster and still only win 4 games then we'll know he's the probelm. but right now, the absolute dumbest thing this team could do is start looking for scapegoats and firing people in hope of a quick fix. You think there may be a reason why Reid is 4-0 over there in KC after the 4 (I think) win season last year in Philly? you think he just all of a sudden remembered how to coach again? you think he just all of a sudden started caring about winning again? or do you think maybe, just maybe, he didn't have the talent in Philly anymore. which one makes the most sense to you?

and let me guess, you were part of the FIRE BRUCE ARIANS NOW!!!11!!!11!! crowd too, weren't you.

 

I personally think that Tomlin has enough talent on this team to win the division. He's not getting it done and the players aren't responding. I'm not giving the players a pass, they're stinking it up right now. You and others seem to want to give Tomlin a pass. Let's blame anything and everything EXCEPT Tomlin. It's the players, it's the owner, it's Colbert, it's DL, it's Haley. It can't be Tomlin because by golly he won a Super Bowl!

 

you have got to be kidding. this team has little talent left on it. definitely not enough to win the division. the problems on this team go far beyond Tomlin. not only do we have an aging D, our last couple big picks appear to be busts. we don't' have reliable pass rushers, and the secondary is terrible and no longer able to rely on Troy, who's only 70% of what he used to be. we have an owner running the show that wants to run the ball, despite the fact every rule made in the last 10 years has been designed to increase passing. everyone else in the league wants to get a top QB, top receivers, a big TE, and throw for 400 yards a game. we want to play "steelers football" and run for 200. and we do this despite the fact we have no offensive line, and no receivers to keep teams from stacking the box, not that they even need too. somebody need to tell Art the bus retired after the 2005 season, and we haven't had a good one since. somebody needs to tell him Sanders and Brown aren't Holmes, Ward, or Buress. someone needs to tell him Timmons and Woodly aren't Llyod, Green, or porter. someone needs to tell him Troys best days are behind him, and Ike isn't Woodson, or even Scott.

Tomlin may be part of the problem, but with such a dearth of talent there's no way we can know that at this point.

 

NO I'm not kidding! We have some deficiencies but so do the other 31 teams in the league. Give this team with these athletes to Belicheck and let's see what he does with it. If you're going to give Tomlin most of the credit for the Super Bowl win then you have to be willing to put most of the blame on him for not having his team prepared to play competitive football, which goes back to the Tebow fiasco in 2011!

 

It was Cowher's talent.

 

No, in each case, the variable that was changed was the head coach. Who took the same players the previous coach had and turned them into winners. Now, the jury is still out on KC, and they did get a new QB. But in each of those situations, a new head coach and a new philosophy, turned a team that was thought to be terrible into a winner. Harbaugh at San Fran is the best example of this. In San Francisco, they didn't blame the players and say Mike Singletary is doing a great job. Harbaugh took Singletary's players and won with them. Coaching matters.

 

Ahem (cough), back to the original topic; I would not want Cowher back due to the fact that like DL I just think the NFL has passed him by. I have read all of the arguments on here about whose fault it is, coaches or players, and honestly it is both and you might as well throw the GM in there as well. I know some want to argue that you can't win with a traditional power run team in today's NFL but Seattle and San Francisco are doing it quite well; I even heard one of the anouncers on TV yesterday say the Seahawks are the new Steelers so yes, you can win with that type of team but we just do not have the players to do it. I hate the patriots but you have to give Bellicheat credit, he finds a way to win with what he has, he makes the system fit the players instead of trying to force the system on the players. The definition if insanity is to continue to do the same thing and expect a different result and that is what we see with DL and have been seeing for years, come on, I love the guy but he has not done anything new or different in years. I have seen our current predicament coming for years, the O-line has been on the decline since Faneca left and has not been an area importance because it just seemed like the organization expected Ben to keep playing houdini instead of protecting him; the top picks on the defensive line (hood and heyward) made me scratch my head when we picked them and have shown nothing. We have the oldest defensive backs in the league and for a long time Troy cleaned up a lot of mistakes and made this defense as a whole look a lot better than it actually was and once he started to get older and nicked up it just came into view. I blame the GM for some of the horrid draft choices, I know Jarvis Jones may end up being a stud but I was screaming for Tyler Eifert with Heath banged up Eifert has looked good while jones has not really done anything since preseason and who in there right mind drafts Landry Jones at all? I blame the coaches (DL) for and outdated system and (tomlin and haley) for not tailoring an offense around what they have to work with. I blame the players for, in my opinion, just not being ready to play; have you ever really looked at the Steelers players in comparison with other teams players? One average, players on others teams just looked bigger and stronger than the Steelers do and that is on them. I really like Tomlin and would like to see him succeed but he has not shown that he can win anything on his own; the further this gets away from Cowhers team the worse they look. I love my Steelers and always will but this is the worst I have ever seen them look and I can remember Bubby Brister and Cliff Stout. I believe it is time to blow this thing up from the GM on down, there is plenty of blame to go around. Forgive my rambling, I just had to let it out.

 

Bingo, tomlin got a playoff ready team that made him look good, but don't forget he didn't bring in his own coaching staff, he kept cowhers staff, and don't forget, tomlin said he was getting on the job training while the team was winning, tomlin was an inexperienced coach when he came here, he was a DB coach and the vikes made him a DC for 1 year and his defense was very average, rooney wanted a minority hire and tomlin was the best bull shyter interviewed, so now when it's going to take a top notch innovating head coach to turn this train wreck around, we don't have one.....

 

Man, both of you guys make some valid points. Our schemes are the same since 2005 and the league has moved on from that one running back 25-30 carries. Defense has aged and doesn't have the quality pass rushers but Tomlin gets the blame for these guy no being prepared to play football. I don't see everyone flying to the ball. I would like to see someone get pissed and throw a helmet or take a 15 yard penality not that it would do any good but at least it would show some fire.

We definitely need to change with the times and Tomlin needs to get these guys motivated. He will have to make an example out of someone.

 

Yeah and Cowher took over Noll's talent. Blah blah blah.

 

Yep, and Noll took over Austin's talent, that's the reason Noll went 1-13 his first year.

 

To me, this sums it all up. With what we have, it takes coaching to get the best out of them and move forward until we can retool. While a good bit of it is on the players, I believe a major portion is the coaching - or lack thereof. These guys simply aren't showing up prepared.

 

around the web this is the best ;

Poor Tomlin....reminds me of a kid who wins a new car....drives it for several years, never checking the oil, tire pressure, front end alignment, radiator fluid level, brakes.......then complains to the dealership employees for not doing their job. Come on Rooney......do what needs to be done, send Tomlin to another dealership

 

wrong. it was Donahue and colberts talent

 

And there have been several who took good teams to Super Bowls: George Siefert in San Francisco? John Gruden in Tampa? Bill Callahan in Oakland? Jim Caldwell in Indy?

 

Kiffin is looking for a job guys!
JOKE,,, THATS A JOKE!

 

Where's the talent at certainly not on defense which has no playmakers after 4 games no takeaways. The O-line is below average the QB is a turnover machine puts the team in a hole. Their best running back has played 1 game and is a rookie a lot of that so called is getting old and can't make plays anymore.

 

The talent is there, even on defense. Troy and Woodley are both healthy, Timmons played at a high level last year. Ike is one of the best cover CBs in the league. Two number one draft picks on the DL in Heyward and Hood. A stud of a rookie in Jarvis Jones. We have loads of talent! It's Tomlin's job as the HEAD Coach to get the most out of the talent he has. What do you think Belicheck could do with the Steelers talent?

 

I would not trade out Tomlin for Cowher.