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Redman: Running back by committee no good.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. numbah58

    numbah58 Staff Member Mod Team

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    The Texans run a ZBS and Foster is the bell-cow.. Not sure why you're equating a bell-cow runner with pounding it up the gut. I'm all for using the other RB's when needed but the Steelers definitely drafted Bell to be "the guy".
     
  2. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I just hope he's not one of those horses that's continually coming up lame and eventually has to be put out of his misery. I did hear that Tomlin implied in his press conference that Bell not playing this week had less to do with his injury and more to do with lack of reps. Not sure I buy that though.

    If that's the case, why was it that Kaboly tweeted that the coaching staff wanted to KEEP Dwyer? Did anyone do any additional research on this?
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    If it works, I will like it but so far that hasn't been the case. And who says we are doing it? As I said, I've seen where we aren't. And I also don't see where the success of Haleys offense is built around RBBC? If Bell can do all the things Haley wants, why wouldn't he use him that way? That's how Haley sure talked about Bell when we drafted him. We'll will find out but I don't think it's happening.
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that's what i'm saying with Haley's offense. if bell can be the go to guy that can run in this system and pass protect and catch passes out of the backfield in haleys offense that will be what they do. ray rice and the ravens run the zone scheme to. if bell can do all these things they will use him, but we don't know that yet. he's had 4 carries. without him though, we don't have another back in this mold and we will use the RBBC to do what haley wants to do offensively.

    I don't think last year was any type of indication of how he wants to truly run our offense. we didn't have the players in place to do it and we ran between the guards more than any team in the NFL. that's not his MO. that will change if these players can run it as drawn up. I was the only guy on here to compare bell to arian foster. that's who I think he is a clone of. he just has to prove it first. being healthy is part of that.:cool:
     
  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    it's not built just on RBBC, but rather if we have the horse to do all the things haley wants this offense to do. we don't have another back like bell on this team. if he can run, block and receive, we won't run the RBBC. without him we are forced to. he has the potential of LSH's vision, redmans power and jones quickness. who else do we have that has all those traits? thus we will have to run it by each RB's stregnths until we find out, which brings us to RB by committee.:cool:
     
  6. numbah58

    numbah58 Staff Member Mod Team

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    I see what you're saying now mac and I agree.. Bell is the only back on this team to have the potential to be a 3 down back. Let's hope he can get healthy and stay healthy like he has in HS and college.
     
  7. SteelByDesign

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    RBBC seemed to work pretty well in 2004...

    Duce Staley: 192 carries - 830 yards
    Jerome Bettis: 250 carries - 941 yards
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I get you now. What about Redmans assertion of being the guy? You don't think he has the skills in your opinion?

    But not so well last year.
     
  9. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this. While i'm not really a fan of RBBC I also don't see anyone else with "star" running back potential, thus we may need to go with RBBC until we can see what Bell will bring. If Bell is the man, like we all hope he is, then we wont need to go RBBC. Until then.......

    On a side note, i'm interested in seeing more of LSH tbh.
     
  10. TarheelFlyer

    TarheelFlyer Well-Known Member

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    Last year could have been more about the guys running the ball than the system...hence why we have 3 new guys.
     
  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes but isn't that why you generally do a RBBC? Because there is no one who can be a feature back? Also, SBD's example isn't even a committee, everyone has 2 backs, committee is 3 or more backs all splitting carries.
     
  12. Busman

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    thats right Jack. Did not work with a shiat.

    I do not see any benefit in using RBBC approach . You go with your starter and give him the bulk of the carries and then only change when the situation requires...

    Bman
     
  13. mac daddyo

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    I don't think we had the backs last year or the o-line. two biggies in a run game.

    i'm also not sure why it means 3 backs? everyone wants one guy to be the stud. when we have two doing what we need done that's still a rb by committee when they gain nearly the same amount of yardage and carries.

    fresh legs means a lot too. especially as the defense tires out.

    pound a while with redman whether it's all running or receiving too. bring in jones as they start to tire and get beat up and do the same. by the time we bring in the little quick guy he runs by tired people. wait until we can start off with bell and do this. not to mention as we do this our wr's are pretty fresh too. it could make for a very formidable offense to try and defeat on a weekly basis. that's a lot of different weapons to defend at every level.:cool:
     
  14. thesteeldeal

    thesteeldeal Well-Known Member

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    Fire RBBC immediately. Just kidding. I today's NFL you need a good stable of backs, there shelf life is at a all time low. Everyone is bringing up Ray Rice ,I bet Pierce gets a ton of carries as well this year.
     
  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I brought up rice because he's a do it all guy that doesn't have to leave the field. he can block, catch and run the ball which makes him hard to defend. usually he is taken out when he's worn out from all the things he does.:cool:
     
  16. Busman

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    I think we just found Haleys replacement :hmmm:

    Bman
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Because then everyone in the league does RBBC. If they split the carries then yes, I guess you can say it's a committee but the feature back always has more carries, the second back just spells him. To me it's 3 or more backs all sharing the work load. When you have a bell cow doing most of the work and then a second back coming in to relieve him, that's not a committee IMO.
     
  18. HugeSnack

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    Agreed. Bettis and Staley are better than Redman and Dwyer (say what you want about Staley, but he performed for us before the injuries hit), and how about the offensive lines? Not even worth comparing, they're so far apart.
     
  19. SteelerJJ

    SteelerJJ Well-Known Member

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    I can see Jones getting quite a few touches in Sunday's game. When he's healthy he can be quite explosive.
     
  20. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    I agree a lot of truth in what he says. A Rb needs reps to see how the D reacts to certain blocking schemes,how his OL block their guys ,when and where the creases are..
    So yes I agree a planned pull out at RB is a bad ideal .
     

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