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The Steelers need Payton Wilson to step up this season

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Jun 10, 2026.

  1. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    I haven't been impressed with a Steelers ILB since the days of Shazier. That's how long it's been since we've had an consistently above average, occasional game-changer at ILB.
     
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  2. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Much better ILB play is needed, hoping the FA pick up of NT
    helps these 2 under achievers.
     
  3. ALL D

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    I watched Ham and Lambert and was amazed how one of the Jacks would make a play just when it was needed most. Ham was considered the most cerebral LB in the NFL. Plus there was Andy Russell who was consistently effective enough to be in the HoF with them. You will never see anything dominant like that again, especially in 1976.
     
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  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Its impossible. That's the difference between teams before free agency, and now. No freaking way you keep that team together after one SB today, let alone 4 of them.
     
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  5. Steelvision

    Steelvision Well-Known Member

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    Glorified safety who keeps getting hurt
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He’s played two full seasons since being drafted.
     
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  7. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Chilling by the pool

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    Don’t let facts get in your way
     
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  8. Steelvision

    Steelvision Well-Known Member

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    your right, hes been pretty injury free with Pittsburgh. Still need help in run support, hes more of a coverage guy
     
  9. Steelvision

    Steelvision Well-Known Member

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    ill try to do better than our government
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He has the ability to be a 3 down LB, he needs to take the next step this season.
     
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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Chilling by the pool

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    Well that’s a low bar
     
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  12. SGSteeler

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    I think the change of scheme will help them immensely as well. Tomlin always pinched things in the pass game into the middle of the field, giving the ILB's a LOT on their plate in coverage. Some schematic changes can take some of the onus off the ILB's and free them up to make some plays. Not saying that it is a guarantee or anything, but putting these guys in a better position to succeed should help make them look a lot better than they have.
     
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  13. Steelvision

    Steelvision Well-Known Member

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    bulking up a little might help him hold his ground
     
  14. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

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    Its not his size. Luke Keuchly was exactly the same size as Wilson (height/weight nearly identical). The problem is that he is either just not in the right places or that the defense didn't fit his strengths. Shoot, even Shazier was a good bit smaller than Wilson and he held up fine. Just needs to continue to improve his game.
     
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  15. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Chilling by the pool

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    Lambert was way undersized at 220 but he was in the right place

    And before someone suggests the game has changed or players have gotten bigger he was still undersized
     
  16. Steelvision

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    You’re right as far as size, hes more or less what an ILB should be. Even Vince weighed a little less although he had a lower center of gravity. So whats the problem? Maybe the D line isnt doing their job and the O linemen are getting past them to our ILB’s. They have to look at how our D linemen are absorbing blocks (or not) and make adjustments. Could it be position too? Possibly but i would guess its a lot of the former, without looking at tape.

    Still if hes going to take on blockers he does need to bulk up a bit more or gain strength. His taller frame can handle it.
     
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  17. SGSteeler

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    Or use his length/quickness to his advantage. He doesn't have to stack and shed every time, he can beat someone to the spot, or slip a block with athleticism.

    He looks "skinny" because he's 6'4''. Most ILB's are around 6'1''-6'2''. At about 240 lbs he's roughly average weight for the position.

    I am excited to see a new direction for the defensive scheme. It will be a good test to see how the front 7 looks with a bit of a different look. Graham got a lot out of pretty lackluster talent in Oakland/LV. It will be interesting to see what he does with a much more talented defensive roster.
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Graham likes to run split safety looks and some coach was saying teams that like to run that better have the requisite girth up front. Hope we do.
     
  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Chilling by the pool

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    You made me look :ACK!: and I’m not sure what girth up front has to do with it.

    Not knowing what a split safety look was other than just the alignment I went and did some homework:

    At its core, split-field coverage divides the field into two halves, allowing the defense to employ different coverage schemes on each side. This approach offers several strategic advantages. First, it allows defenses to match their coverage to the offensive formation, providing the flexibility to defend different route concepts simultaneously. For example, the defense might employ a Cover 2 scheme on one side of the field, while running Cover 4 on the other. This mix-and-match approach makes it harder for quarterbacks to diagnose the coverage pre-snap, increasing the chances of forcing them into mistakes.

    An interesting nuts and bolts read:

    https://alleyesdbcamp.com/leveraging-split-field-coverages-a-guide-for-defensive-backs/

    And if anyone digs into this why does the CB on the top play 5 yards off and the one on the bottom is 10 yards off?

    In general I like the approach because it is not the same thing we kept doing last year.
     
  20. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    This right here is what is wrong with Wilson. Dude's T-rex arms are too short against long arms of DL. I remember during the draft it was a concern for some.

    Screenshot 2026-07-20 050230.png
     
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  21. mac daddyo

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    i'm sure that inch and an 1/8 difference from he and queen are the difference. he still led the team in tackles playing 68% of the time. the kid will be fine. i'm glad we have him. this year will tell a lot about these two. getting them out of that stagnant defense should help. better d- front should help as well. i still think the two down lineman sets MT liked to run so much of will help the LB'ers. it gave o-linemen free releases towards them. we shall see. :cool:
     
  22. steel machine

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    Todays generation of NFL fans would have hated the 76 Steelers. Unless you are a Steeler fan. Way to much defense to keep them interested. Total of 9 points given up over 5 straight games. 5 shut outs in one season. This just would not happen in todays NFL. I had to follow that season from Europe.
     
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  23. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    The greatest ever assembled!
     
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  24. forgotten1

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    Not too worried about PW
    YET
     
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  25. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Sports media always gushes over the 2000 Ravens defense since they won a Super Bowl... but if data is looked at objectively, the 1976 Steelers defense was the greatest to ever take an NFL field. It's not even close.
     
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