In comparing Howard and Alar ask THIS question-

Let me repeat

And do not PM me it’s creepy

 

Why compare? Just get excited for the coming TC QB competition. No need to pick a favorite. The Steelers win whoever comes out on top. Isn't that what we ultimately want?
College team bias aside of course. Gotta root for your school.

 

Let me repeat. I did not PM you. When you wrote that post, you clearly meant to imply that I had just sent you one. I did not. The last PM I sent you was in September 2025. Implying otherwise in this manner is dishonest.

Thank you for posting the evidence that Blast was basing that in the assumption that you don't quote me. You did. If you don't want me quoting your posts, don't post mine.

 

You are a whiney little *****

No wonder no one likes you

And don’t PM me again

Get your last word in so your pathetic fragile ego doesn’t explode and run the **** along

You are not worth my time

Bye

 

Neither of these QBs are likely to be significant starters at the NFL level. Howard's limited physically, he looks the part but I don't like his arm nor his lack of consistency in collegiate tape. Allar's just a mess, and I cannot get past that basic question of why after all those years he could not improve his mechanics. Could either end up becoming something more than you expect? Certainly. Anything is possible. But not likely.

In Allar's case this will be the best staff he's played for in terms of offensive know-how. But mechanics are not something a staff magically fixes. The player has to actively work through that change, it is very hard to adjust that. Requires real dedication and desire. This is what I am not sure Allar has. And even if he has it, then his development is going to require at least a one year redshirt, maybe two. In the NFL teams can move on from you based on speed of development, and there are plenty of recent examples of this to include last year's Super Bowl winner, so if he ends up needing much more they'll move on from him to someone newer and shinier and more ready to play well before he finally gets there.

 

Why do you keep telling me not to PM you when I haven't sent you a PM since September 2025? Is it because you are trying to trick other posters here into seeing you as some sort of victim? It certainly seems that way.

If you have a shred of integrity, you will reply to this by admitting I haven't sent you a PM since September 2025. I won't hold my breath.

Why do you put so much energy into engaging a poster who you supposedly do not want to engage with at all?

 

All I gotta say about both.
If Brees, Montana, and Baker Mayfield can play in the NFL with their lack of arm strength, then so can Howard.
If L. Jackson, Rodgers, and Josh Allen can learn better mechanics in footwork, and passing then so can Allar.

 

That's not true. Penn State is hardly a poverty program like people make it out to be. Its definitely not a T1 program like OSU, but its not like they play with nothing but garbage. Its certainly a better program than Kansas State, where Howard played his first few years at. Allar and Howard are also pretty close statistically for Howard's time as KSU and Allar's time at PSU. Allar had a slightly higher comp% and a slightly better INT%, but Howard threw for more yards per game, yards per completion, had a better TD%. They had similar QB ratings. You can't just chalk it all up to "OMG Allar's WR's were AWFUL". It's not like Howard had anything better at Kansas State (plus, OSU WR's make everyone else's WR's look terrible with the exception of LSU). Howard never had a receiving TE as talented as Warren either.

There analogy is wrong. If Howard played his final season at KSU he likely doesn't get drafted. If Allar played at KSU, he wouldn't have been likely to have been drafted either. I don't think OSU wins the natty if Allar was their QB instead of Howard. Will still played great ball when it mattered, and Allar has never done that in his career. I do think the supporting cast would do a lot to cover up the flaws of either player... so yeah, playing at OSU gives any QB a much better chance of getting drafted than if they played elsewhere.

 

All of this is true, except Mayfield has an excellent NFL arm. It's not elite, but its better than most of the league's. Loads of really good QB's have very average NFL arms. Montana, Brees, Manning on the high end. More recently maybe Burrow, Prescott, and Goff being the more recent examples.

Neither of the two QB's we have in our system right now have "insurmountable" deficiencies. It will all depend on who can develop their flaws and turn their strengths into high end traits.

 

That sounds about right. People act like Allar had no talent around him. His junior year, he had two stud running backs, a strong offensive line, and tight end who was drafted in the first round and made an immediate impact in the NFL.

 

And he had no NFL receivers while Howard had at least three first round WRs at Ohio State.

 

Put Howard on that 2024 Penn State team they aren't going to win a championship .

 

Yes, THIS is the real point of this thread. I emphasized Allar because so many are judging him as impossible to fix. If Howard winds up another Brees, I'm all for it. Not anti Howard at all. We have two QBs with kind of opposite strengths and weaknesses. Only common feature is prototype size. Heck thats something Howard has OVER the great QBs you mention who have more modest arm talent. Brady is the GOAT and did not have a cannon.

So yes, I think that your point is spot on.

 

But there is a reason MM is breaking down Allar to the studs during a rebuild (according to reports). Things were wonky with the guy and how he played. Now, I'm not an Allar expert so question is whether this was the way he always was or did he just develop bad habits over time that were not corrected? One should be easier to fix than the other.

 

Yes. We heard that the first thousand times, but Allar still had better talent around him than most quarterbacks, including Howard when he was at Kansas State.

 

That's not what I said... But there's at least evidence based on how Howard played that they would've done better. I could see them winning that ND game with Howard. I don't think anyone was beating OSU that year in the postseason with how good they were playing, but its hard to speculate either way. That PSU team was pretty good outside of Allar too. Not as good as OSU obviously... but I do think its a bit of a cop out for many on here to be excusing Allar's lack of development in college due to being surrounded by poor players. PSU is a top 15-20 program in the country (and that is coming from someone who is a fan of one of their rivals). I know they are more known for defensive playmakers than offensive ones, but its not like they're devoid of talent.

 

Idk, Brady had a pretty darn good arm... He just won with his brain anyways.

I would agree that neither of our guys are "impossible to fix", though Howard is a lot closer at this very moment to being an NFL caliber player than Allar is. It doesn't mean that one will be better than the other in the long run. I also don't buy that Allar's ceiling is way higher just because he has a bigger arm. If he could run like Allen, then maybe... but that isn't happening.

 

Just curious, would you draft this guy in Rd1?

 

It this is his college stats,no...But we need to see the whole context

 

I'm not sure Howard wins that ND game, that was the game where the Penn State WRs had no receptions IIRC.

 

It's obviously within the realm of possibility.

But it's not something I'd bet on.

I'll be cheering for both of them hoping that one of them pans out (and for Mason too...and Aaron if he comes back).