Warner sums up Allar in 6 minutes

I should have remembered that.

 

Exactly, and it's not a coach thing either because these were from many different coaches, and OCs that have had success with other Qbs.

 

I had them as successful. I only counted the guys who couldn't stay starters, or were quickly out of the NFL on that list.

 

I was only answering what was put forth.

 

Need to draft Arch or one of the several potentially good QBs next year. Next year's draft will be a good QB crop like '24.

 

You do realize that if You actually count the 1st round picks that didn't win a SB with the team that actually spent the 1st round pick on them that there are more Qbs beyond the 1st round that has won a SB. I mean there are a few first round picks on here that didn't win until they were on their 3 team, so that means that team didn't give a 1st round for them, or as You would say, they were castaways, which You have said You don't want.

 

WTH?

Trent Dilfer and Doug Williams didn't win a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay. Steelers are doing this in reverse...taking Super Bowl winning QBs...Wilson and Rodgers and getting quick wildcard exits!

 

There are a lot more than that. What I'm trying to say is if a Qb didn't win a SB till their 3rd team , then saying it was because they were a 1st rounder shouldn't really count. The team they won a SB with didn't spend a 1st round pick on them.

 

Wouldn't limit to only the winners. How about any QB that made it to a SB? Marino, Tarkenton, Kelly. You have to be pretty damn good to get there or at least have a competent team supporting.

 

Ok, now that I see the list like this, that even supports the first round QB story even more:

Undrafted

• Kurt Warner — Undrafted — Won: 1999 — Also reached: 2001, 2008
• Jake Delhomme — Undrafted — Reached: 2003

1st Round

• Sam Darnold — 3rd overall — Won: 2025
• Patrick Mahomes — 10th overall — Won: 2019, 2022, 2023, 2024 — Also reached: 2020
• Matthew Stafford — 1st overall — Won: 2021
• Joe Flacco — 18th overall — Won: 2012
• Aaron Rodgers — 25th overall — Won: 2010
• Ben Roethlisberger — 11th overall — Won: 2005, 2008 — Also reached: 2010
• Eli Manning — 1st overall — Won: 2007, 2011
• Peyton Manning — 1st overall — Won: 2006, 2015 — Also reached: 2009, 2013
• Trent Dilfer — 6th overall — Won: 2000
• John Elway — 1st overall — Won: 1997, 1998 — Also reached: 1986, 1987, 1989
• Steve Young — USFL Supplemental Draft — Won: 1994
• Troy Aikman — 1st overall — Won: 1992, 1993, 1995
• Doug Williams — 17th overall — Won: 1987
• Phil Simms — 7th overall — Won: 1986, 1990
• Jim McMahon — 5th overall — Won: 1985
• Jim Plunkett — 1st overall — Won: 1980, 1983
• Terry Bradshaw — 1st overall — Won: 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979
• Bob Griese — 4th overall — Won: 1972, 1973 — Also reached: 1971
• Len Dawson — 5th overall — Won: 1969 — Also reached: 1966
• Joe Namath — 12th overall — Won: 1968
• Joe Burrow — 1st overall — Reached: 2021
• Jared Goff — 1st overall — Reached: 2018
• Cam Newton — 1st overall — Reached: 2015
• Matt Ryan — 3rd overall — Reached: 2016
• Donovan McNabb — 2nd overall — Reached: 2004
• Rich Gannon — 4th overall — Reached: 2002
• Steve McNair — 3rd overall — Reached: 1999
• Drew Bledsoe — 1st overall — Reached: 1996
• Dan Marino — 27th overall — Reached: 1984
• Jim Kelly — 14th overall — Reached: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993
• Boomer Esiason — 38th overall — Reached: 1988
• Ron Jaworski — 2nd overall — Reached: 1980
• Fran Tarkenton — 29th overall — Reached: 1973, 1974, 1976

2nd Round

• Jalen Hurts — 53rd overall — Won: 2024 — Also reached: 2022
• Drew Brees — 32nd overall — Won: 2009
• Brett Favre — 33rd overall — Won: 1996 — Also reached: 1997
• Ken Stabler — 52nd overall — Won: 1976
• Colin Kaepernick — 36th overall — Reached: 2012
• Randall Cunningham — 37th overall — Reached: 1998

3rd Round

• Nick Foles — 88th overall — Won: 2017
• Russell Wilson — 75th overall — Won: 2013 — Also reached: 2014
• Jeff Hostetler — 59th overall — Won: 1990
• Joe Montana — 82nd overall — Won: 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989
• Brock Purdy — 262nd overall — Reached: 2023

4th Round

• Joe Theismann — 99th overall — Won: 1982 — Also reached: 1983

6th Round

• Tom Brady — 199th overall — Won: 2001, 2003, 2004, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020 — Also reached: 2007, 2011, 2017
• Mark Rypien — 146th overall — Won: 1991

9th Round

• Brad Johnson — 227th overall — Won: 2002

10th Round

• Roger Staubach — 129th overall — Won: 1971, 1977 — Also reached: 1975, 1978

17th Round

• Bart Starr — 200th overall — Won: 1966, 1967

 

51 QBs; 34 - 1st rounders =66% of SB QB appearances

 

That depressed me a little after I posted that. We tried to will a first round QB winner with the Pickett draft LOL. But it sure seems like you need a legit first rounder to get to the show. Here's hoping we can buck that system.

I need to add Neil O'Donnell to the list (and a few others missed) to give us a little more hope!


Undrafted

• Kurt Warner — Undrafted — Won: 1999 — Also reached: 2001, 2008
• Jake Delhomme — Undrafted — Reached: 2003

1st Round

• Sam Darnold — 3rd overall — Won: 2025
• Patrick Mahomes — 10th overall — Won: 2019, 2022, 2023, 2024 — Also reached: 2020
• Matthew Stafford — 1st overall — Won: 2021
• Joe Flacco — 18th overall — Won: 2012
• Aaron Rodgers — 25th overall — Won: 2010
• Ben Roethlisberger — 11th overall — Won: 2005, 2008 — Also reached: 2010
• Eli Manning — 1st overall — Won: 2007, 2011
• Peyton Manning — 1st overall — Won: 2006, 2015 — Also reached: 2009, 2013
• Trent Dilfer — 6th overall — Won: 2000
• John Elway — 1st overall — Won: 1997, 1998 — Also reached: 1986, 1987, 1989
• Steve Young — USFL Supplemental Draft — Won: 1994
• Troy Aikman — 1st overall — Won: 1992, 1993, 1995
• Doug Williams — 17th overall — Won: 1987
• Phil Simms — 7th overall — Won: 1986, 1990
• Jim McMahon — 5th overall — Won: 1985
• Jim Plunkett — 1st overall — Won: 1980, 1983
• Terry Bradshaw — 1st overall — Won: 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979
• Bob Griese — 4th overall — Won: 1972, 1973 — Also reached: 1971
• Len Dawson — 5th overall — Won: 1969 — Also reached: 1966
• Joe Namath — 12th overall — Won: 1968
• Joe Burrow — 1st overall — Reached: 2021
• Jared Goff — 1st overall — Reached: 2018
• Cam Newton — 1st overall — Reached: 2015
• Matt Ryan — 3rd overall — Reached: 2016
• Donovan McNabb — 2nd overall — Reached: 2004
• Rich Gannon — 4th overall — Reached: 2002
• Steve McNair — 3rd overall — Reached: 1999
• Drew Bledsoe — 1st overall — Reached: 1996
• Dan Marino — 27th overall — Reached: 1984
• Jim Kelly — 14th overall — Reached: 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993
• Boomer Esiason — 38th overall — Reached: 1988
• Ron Jaworski — 2nd overall — Reached: 1980
• Fran Tarkenton — 29th overall — Reached: 1973, 1974, 1976
• Chris Chandler — 3rd overall — Reached: 1998
• Kerry Collins — 5th overall — Reached: 2000
• Rex Grossman — 22nd overall — Reached: 2006

2nd Round

• Jalen Hurts — 53rd overall — Won: 2024 — Also reached: 2022
• Drew Brees — 32nd overall — Won: 2009
• Brett Favre — 33rd overall — Won: 1996 — Also reached: 1997
• Ken Stabler — 52nd overall — Won: 1976
• Colin Kaepernick — 36th overall — Reached: 2012
• Randall Cunningham — 37th overall — Reached: 1998
• Jimmy Garoppolo — 62nd overall — Reached: 2019

3rd Round

• Nick Foles — 88th overall — Won: 2017
• Russell Wilson — 75th overall — Won: 2013 — Also reached: 2014
• Jeff Hostetler — 59th overall — Won: 1990
• Joe Montana — 82nd overall — Won: 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989
• Neil O'Donnell — 70th overall — Reached: 1995
• Ken Anderson — 67th overall — Reached: 1981
• Brock Purdy — 262nd overall — Reached: 2023

4th Round

• Joe Theismann — 99th overall — Won: 1982 — Also reached: 1983

6th Round

• Tom Brady — 199th overall — Won: 2001, 2003, 2004, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020 — Also reached: 2007, 2011, 2017
• Mark Rypien — 146th overall — Won: 1991
• Stan Humphries — 159th overall — Reached: 1994
• Matt Hasselbeck — 187th overall — Reached: 2005

8th Round

• David Woodley — 214th overall — Reached: 1982

9th Round

• Brad Johnson — 227th overall — Won: 2002

10th Round

• Roger Staubach — 129th overall — Won: 1971, 1977 — Also reached: 1975, 1978

17th Round

• Bart Starr — 200th overall — Won: 1966, 1967