In comparing Howard and Alar ask THIS question-

Should poor routes by the receivers be blamed on the QB or the WRs ?

 

Are you seriously disputing that Allar has issues with being inaccurate? That just destroys any credibility you have on this topic.

 

You failing to admit the Penn State receivers were bad destroys your credibility on this topic, Allar has his flaws but I want to see what he can do with better coaching and better weapons on offense.

 

Don't take my post as being confrontational. I'm simply talking football.

I have watched them both play a ton of football. I even got to see Howard play a ton at Kansas State as well.

I have always watched a ton of pro and college football. I evaluate players as a hobby since I was young. It's something I love to do. I truly wish Howard the best here and hope he can overcome some things. His mind is his best asset, so I hope the offense is a good fit for him. Maybe he can master the offense and maximize his arm strength with some work he has done with his mechanics, and it all comes together with him.

Allar is no slam dunk to do anything. He has a long way to go. Physical talent means nothing at that position if he can't master the other mental aspects of the game and fix what isn't working well enough physically.

 

The choker label is concerning. Not going to judge cause i didnt watch him play but trying to rationalize the label or make circumstances the cause is iffy at best to me. Plenty of great highly talented Qb’s at the pro level for instance didnt have much to work with..Matt Stafford with the Lions, Andrew Luck with the Colts, Archie Manning with NO. You could tell they were great/talented Qb’s even though they were in poor circumstance's or surroundings.

At this point Im going to trust MM’s ability to identify good Qb talent and hope he can make something of Allar.

 

I’m a full believer in Drew Allar, and it won’t take much — just one or two strong games as a starter — for me to ante up and buy his jersey. From what I’ve read, he’s wearing #16 right now. I believe in his elite tools: elite arm talent, ideal height, big hands, and weight. All of it grades out as A-level. Combine that with his above-average football IQ and a genuinely offensive-minded coach like McCarty, and you’ve got a winning combination.

He’s an extremely ball-secure quarterback — next to zero fumbles per snap and a very low interception rate. That’s not luck, that’s consistency.While he’s far too good of a leader and too high-character to ever throw his wide receivers or coaches under the bus, his critics point to his performances in big games and say he was poor.

They’re not entirely wrong. But let’s be honest: the play-calling and coaching in those games was at best a C-minus, and the receiving corps was barely a C-minus itself. There’s a clear reason Penn State moved on from the previous head coach and why their top wideouts left town.

What I’d love to hear this 22-year-old man-child say is this: “I was too conservative in my college play. That was on me.” Man up and own it, Drew.But that was then. This is now. Now he has good coaching, and better receiving options. The offense will be specifically designed around his strengths when he is the starter.

Mini camp starts today! I hope Allar dares to be great.

 

Wrong again. I never disputed that they were bad, or at least not NFL-caliber. My point was it isn't the fault of the receivers that Allar consistently makes poor decisions in big moments. It is not their fault he drops his eyes to the pass rush instead of keeping them down field. It is not their fault that he isn't an accurate passer. It isn't their fault that his footwork is a mess. Some of those are flaws that can be fixed. Some, not so much.

 

This is what I've read about him too (but I don't watch NCAA to confirm).

But it seems to me that if he had an elite WR in college, many of these flaws would have been masked. Because when you have a guy or two who's "college open" on most plays then you don't get into trouble as much. I think this is one of the reasons that it's hard for pros to scout college QBs (especially guys in good programs). Because the competition is so lopsided in most games that you're only left with a small sample size where these QBs get challenged. And even then, the speed of the game is just not close to the NFL speed.

Seems to me that this is what made Pickett into a 1st rounder. He should be sending Addison royalties on every NFL paycheck he gets IMO.

 

I don't even know if Rodgers will play at all in Preseason this year. Rodgers may feel he does not need too, and some Coaches decide not to play their starters at all during the Preseason nowadays.

Rodgers will be taking a lot of the extra Vet days off once preseason and training camp start, so someone will be getting the 1st team reps on those days.

 

Certainly an option

I would have agreed if Tomlin was still here

 

He did not play last year

 

I am clueless on what you are trying to do here. The team is 7-3 and Rodgers is playing well headed into the home stretch before the playoffs, and you are asking if it is a good time to let the young guys play now???

I can see if the Steelers are 3-7 and Rodgers is playing BAD, then it may be a good time to let the young guys play.



FYI, I am colorblind as all get out, so I may have missed your "Green" font if this was supposed to be funny.

 

So when you scuba dive do fish at 5 feet deep look the same as at 30 feet deep

For those of us not color blind they are colorful up top and eventually just gray when you get deeper

Now if you put a flash light on them down deeper the color is visible

 

Most likely not going to happen if they're winning.

 

Actually, I am thinking about the counter-argument. If the team is 3-7 after 10 games, you bench Rodgers and start one of the new guys...maybe not even wait for 10 games. The harder question; what if they are 5-5 after ten games?

 

What if the team is winning, but Rodgers isn't playing well at all. The defense comes around but the offense really struggles.

Do they consider playing a younger, more athletic guy to try to give the offense a spark?

So many hypotheticals to think about.

If Rodgers is playing well and the team is winning, he's not going anywhere. Only an injury would give an opportunity to another quarterback.

 

That last one is the easy one. The others might stir some conversations.

 

At 5-5 they're still in the playoff race you continue to play Rodgers.

 

I think there was a stat brought up last season about rookie QBs making it to the SB. Obviously it is possible, just one of those things in life that is statistically very rare.


Did anyone have the Patriots winning the AFC last season on their BINGO card? I didn't even have them winning the AFCE. Unexpected things happen every season in the NFL. From key injuries to a team getting hot at the right time to a 100 yard INT return in a SB.


I like this Steelers team. I like our current rookie class, our young guys from recent drafts, our seasoned veterans, even our FA moves. I believe MM, Angelichio, and Arth are the right combo of coaches to fix the offensive issues we have had recently. Honestly.


If Rodgers returns it only helps. Those of you focusing on 2027 and beyond are approaching 2026 wrong. You simply cannot plan for next season, this season. You approach it one game, one season at a time. Examples of why include Shazier, Tuitt, DeCastro, Ben's elbow, etc, etc, etc...


I'm admittedly a positive thinker and an optimist. I also believe that dividing into camp Allar vs camp Howard is a silly waste of time. If it's not camp Rodgers, we're likely not making a SB run this year anyway. According to stats.

 

None of that matters to me.

What's done is in the past and means nothing now.

There are 2 young QBs that have their head on straight that have the physical tools to succeed.

I say go with it

No risk no reward. There is Mason as a backup.

If they suck, draft a QB next year.

Thanks Rogers but it's time to move forward with young talent imo.

 

The 5-5 would be irrelevant

How they played would be

 

didnt you hear what Art II said? We have to be in contention every year. That means AR is starting.

 

That's not 17